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Presumably when "Republican" mobs both in Belfast and here in Dublin surrounded houses chanting about 'anti-social behaviour and 'drug dealing' that was something completely different.
No it's not an odd stance. Nobody died or as far as I can tell was injured.Originally Posted by Young Ned
You see, in a sectarian confrontation, that is what can happen. It's an SF
implication that the loyalist lugs were "escorted " there.
It was difficult to understand how they knew so quickly that the uda were not involved. It was as if the uda had ordered the psni to release a statement on their behalf.
Are the uda policing the psni.
Its obviously a similar comparison to make, with some differences.
The issue here isnt just crowds intimidating people this situation has CCTV footage of how the PSNI act when faced with such an illegal act.
The PSNI had prior knowledge to this and got involved, thats different than getting a phone call telling them that such a thing is happening.
There's also a sectarian element here, Republican mobs intimidating drug dealers in Republican areas might be illegal but its not sectarian, it is not the same as a crowd of Loyalist marching into a Catholic area for no reason, other than the fact that they seen a mans work van in a Police station.
Then there's the elephant in the room, the home the loyalists chosen was a family home with no drug dealers, with people who work for a living and no-one in that home has a criminal record etc.
The woman living there claimed they must have been targetting someone who used to live there, but lets face it they didnt actually need an excuse to march and intimidate, its part of their culture.
Considering the PSNI were walking with this mob, they must have had prior knowledge of the march and been with it from the start.
If the Police are aware that a large loyalist crowd has gathered and are moving towards a persons home how do you think they should react?
A. Tell them that if they want to march they have to apply for the right.
Inform them that it is after midnight and their march is illegal.
Inform them that sectarian abuse is illegal, and make it clear that because what they are doing is illegal that they will be prevented from terrorising an entire neighbourhood at such a late hour.
Tell them that they have a duty to protect the public and uphold the law and anyone who breaks it will be prosecuted.
B March along slowly infront of them and direct them, make no effort to stop them and make no effort to warn the residents about the mob coming towards their home.
Option A is called policing and protecting the innocent.
Option B is called being part of a loyalist mob.
Which catagory would you put the PSNI in?
Last edited by st333ve; 6th August 2009 at 07:12 PM.
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I don't know lapsed.What advice can you give a family whose home is surrounded by the proverbial 'torch bearing mob'? Might they not be safer outside even? A moot point I suppose. I only know about Larne from RCs I met in London,mainly elderly men.It really does sound like a hopeless case.Carrickfergus isn't far behind it.But I also met left footers from Portaferry ( I think -Ards anyway and you couldnt get a pint!) they said it was okay;such a small minority nobody noticed them really.
All it takes is a handfull of idiots I suppose,in any community.
My point is if the authorities were escorting people to shout abuse at people within their homes, that the conduct of the people in their homes is not the main consideration.
I think that the PSNI probably were faced with a protest going to happen and decided to control it. Now, would they " control " a nationalist protest going to a loyalist home? That's the point here.
Rathcoole to Carric. Basketcase territory. Larne ditto. The whole loyalist "community" is dead but doesn't have the wit to lie down.
First of all the PSNI stated that it wasnt a protest, it has been defined as a march.
A grouping of people who meet at an organised destination and march towards a desired destination is a march not a protest.
The march alone was illegal, the PSNI had a duty to stop the march not 'control' it.
I dont think it was controlled, I think it was allowed and the damage was done.
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I hear what your implying, but did that never happen down here too.
What does the Irish President spend their time doing. Work in progress
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Its not always about another event or did it happen somewhere else etc.
When something like this happens its judged on what happened, not something else.
The PSNI have no problem putting 20 landrovers around a nationalist protest, but will march a loyalist mob to a Catholic house at midnight to intimidate them.
The Ombudsman will investigate this, I doubt they'll come to a conclusion of - 'Ah well sure it might have happened somewhere else too'.
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