I strongly believe in the 1916 Proclamation, why not you?

[mairtinogmeehan]

Is it too much to ask Northern Protestants to study the 1916 Proclamation with some objectivity.

Ireland as a whole is fast becoming a secular nation. In which equality of treatment is within everyone's grasp.

Should working-class Unionists, not read or listen a little to Irish History and where the age-old conflict began?

After all, most of the Unionist Politicians are not interested in bread or butter issues. Instead they continue to use Irish Republicanism as the Bogeyman.

The principles of Irish Republicanism are there for all to witness; Nationalism, Socialism, Secularism and Non-Secterianism.

1916 Proclamation; "where all the children of the nation are treated equal".

[Mise_Eire]

It has to be taken in context.

After all if republicans were to read the aspirations in the Orange Oath they would surely welcome the Brethren to Drumcree

[jerryp]

Is it too much to ask Northern Protestants to study the 1916 Proclamation with some objectivity.

Ireland as a whole is fast becoming a secular nation. In which equality of treatment is within everyone's grasp.

Should working-class Unionists, not read or listen a little to Irish History and where the age-old conflict began?

After all, most of the Unionist Politicians are not interested in bread or butter issues. Instead they continue to use Irish Republicanism as the Bogeyman.

The principles of Irish Republicanism are there for all to witness; Nationalism, Socialism, Secularism and Non-Secterianism.

1916 Proclamation; "where all the children of the nation are treated equal".

Isn't it well past your bedtime ?

[edifice.]

It has to be taken in context.

After all if republicans were to read the aspirations in the Orange Oath they would surely welcome the Brethren to Drumcree

Do you have to wear unionjack boxers when you take it?

Membership is restricted to male Protestants who must fulfill the following:

'An Orangeman should have a sense love and veneration for his Heavenly Father; a humble and steadfast faith in Jesus Christ, the Savior of mankind, believing in Him as the only Mediator between God and man. He should cultivate truth and justice, brotherly kindness and charity, devotion and piety, concord and unity, and obedience to the laws; his deportment should be gentle and compassionate, kind and courteous; he should seek a society of the virtuous, and avoid that of the evil; he should honor and diligently study the holy scriptures, and make them the rule of his faith and practice; he should love, uphold, and defend the Protestant religion, and sincerely desire and endeavor to propagate its doctrines and precepts; he should strenuously oppose the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome, and scrupulously avoid countenancing (by his presence or otherwise) any act of ceremony of Popish worship; he should by all lawful means, resist the ascendancy of that Church, its encroachments, and the extension of its power, ever abstaining from all uncharitable words, actions or sentiments. towards his Roman Catholic brethren; he should remember to keep holy the Sabbath Day, and attend the public worship of God, and in the Protestant faith; he should never take the name of God in vain, but abstain from all cursing and profane language, and use every opportunity of discouraging these, and all other sinful practices, in others; his conduct should be guided by wisdom and prudence, and marked by honesty, temperance, and sobriety; the glory of God and the welfare of man, the honor of his Sovereign, and the good of his country, should be the motive of his actions.

Do you promise, before this Lodge, to give no countenance, by your presence or otherwise, to the unscriptural, superstitious, and idolatrous worship of the Church of Rome? And do you also promise never to marry a Roman Catholic, never to stand sponsor for a child when receiving baptism from a priest of Rome, nor allow a Roman Catholic to stand sponsor for your child at baptism? And do you further promise to resist, by all lawful means, the ascendancy, extension and encroachments of that Church; at the same time being careful always to abstain from all unkind words and actions towards its members, yea, even prayerfully and diligently, as opportunity occurs, to use your best efforts to deliver them from error and false doctrine, and lead them to the truth of that Holy Word, which is able to make them wise unto salvation?

[Mise_Eire]

[quote=edifice.]

It has to be taken in context.

After all if republicans were to read the aspirations in the Orange Oath they would surely welcome the Brethren to Drumcree

Do you have to wear unionjack boxers when you take it?

Membership is restricted to male Protestants who must fulfill the following:

'An Orangeman should have a sense love and veneration for his Heavenly Father; a humble and steadfast faith in Jesus Christ, the Savior of mankind, believing in Him as the only Mediator between God and man. He should cultivate truth and justice, brotherly kindness and charity, devotion and piety, concord and unity, and obedience to the laws; his deportment should be gentle and compassionate, kind and courteous; he should seek a society of the virtuous, and avoid that of the evil; he should honor and diligently study the holy scriptures, and make them the rule of his faith and practice; he should love, uphold, and defend the Protestant religion, and sincerely desire and endeavor to propagate its doctrines and precepts; he should strenuously oppose the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome, and scrupulously avoid countenancing (by his presence or otherwise) any act of ceremony of Popish worship; he should by all lawful means, resist the ascendancy of that Church, its encroachments, and the extension of its power, ever abstaining from all uncharitable words, actions or sentiments. towards his Roman Catholic brethren; he should remember to keep holy the Sabbath Day, and attend the public worship of God, and in the Protestant faith; he should never take the name of God in vain, but abstain from all cursing and profane language, and use every opportunity of discouraging these, and all other sinful practices, in others; his conduct should be guided by wisdom and prudence, and marked by honesty, temperance, and sobriety; the glory of God and the welfare of man, the honor of his Sovereign, and the good of his country, should be the motive of his actions.

Do you promise, before this Lodge, to give no countenance, by your presence or otherwise, to the unscriptural, superstitious, and idolatrous worship of the Church of Rome? And do you also promise never to marry a Roman Catholic, never to stand sponsor for a child when receiving baptism from a priest of Rome, nor allow a Roman Catholic to stand sponsor for your child at baptism? And do you further promise to resist, by all lawful means, the ascendancy, extension and encroachments of that Church; at the same time being careful always to abstain from all unkind words and actions towards its members, yea, even prayerfully and diligently, as opportunity occurs, to use your best efforts to deliver them from error and false doctrine, and lead them to the truth of that Holy Word, which is able to make them wise unto salvation?

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What do you find offensive in the parts I have underlined ?

[edifice.]

Their divorce from them.

[Munion]

The principles of Irish Republicanism are there for all to witness; Nationalism, Socialism, Secularism and Non-Secterianism.

Do not misrepresent the Proclamation. There is no mention of socialism and God is invoked to many times for it to be secular.

As for that divisive filth of an oath the Orangemen take, don't make me laugh.

[Mise_Eire]

Their divorce from them.

My point precisely in respect of the proclamation.

[White Horse]

Is it too much to ask Northern Protestants to study the 1916 Proclamation with some objectivity.

Is it also too much to ask Northern nationalists to read the Magna Carta and the huge variety of legislation that allows them to live in the most free and liberal country in the world?

[scotusone]

magna carta ? lol .

have you read it ? hardly a charter of rights of the common man