Attempts to restore Northern Ireland's devolution would probably be put back until 2009 if the 24 November deadline is missed, the NI secretary has said.
Peter Hain said the two governments were unlikely to make further attempts until after the next general elections. BBC News
I think 2009 is a realistic timeframe. There is obviously insufficient trust to form an executive at the moment and direct rule isn't going that badly. This is also a more realistic decontamination period for SF/IRA. If you go back to the anti-Treaty SF/FF times, it took over a decade from the time that they guns had been put beyond use to the time that people were prepared to allow them into government.Originally Posted by padraig
By 2009 the ground will be more fertile for unionists, with eith a Conservative government or one led by Gordon Brown who's leading a pro-Britishness (and obviously pro-unionist) campaign at the moment.
It also gives time to SF to concentrate on this country and the new local assemblies in N.I.
Everyone's a winner.
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This is the sort of language the Nazis used against Jews.I think 2009 is a realistic timeframe. There is obviously insufficient trust to form an executive at the moment and direct rule isn't going that badly. This is also a more realistic decontamination period for SF/IRA. If you go back to the anti-Treaty SF/FF times, it took over a decade from the time that they guns had been put beyond use to the time that people were prepared to allow them into government.
By 2009 the ground will be more fertile for unionists, with eith a Conservative government or one led by Gordon Brown who's leading a pro-Britishness (and obviously pro-unionist) campaign at the moment.
It also gives time to SF to concentrate on this country and the new local assemblies in N.I.
Everyone's a winner.
As long as you are happy that the democratic will of all the people of Ireland is being subverted by unioinists who share your 'decontamination' views then thats ok is it?
Actually in my opinion such an outcome after November will undermine SF and work towards those republicans who wish to return to violence. But I suppose to you that is not the issue, to you the issue is anything bu SF. How sad!
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Whether you like it or not the current SF leadership has blood on its hands. The party is currently unsuitable for power in this country and in Northern Ireland. By 2009 they may well have chosen a new leader from the next generation of the party, one who was not involved in the bombings and shootings that blighted all of the island for over 30 years. Such a leader combined with few years without criminality and with support for the police could create sufficient trust for an executive to actually work.This is the sort of language the Nazis used against Jews.I think 2009 is a realistic timeframe. There is obviously insufficient trust to form an executive at the moment and direct rule isn't going that badly. This is also a more realistic decontamination period for SF/IRA. If you go back to the anti-Treaty SF/FF times, it took over a decade from the time that they guns had been put beyond use to the time that people were prepared to allow them into government.
By 2009 the ground will be more fertile for unionists, with eith a Conservative government or one led by Gordon Brown who's leading a pro-Britishness (and obviously pro-unionist) campaign at the moment.
It also gives time to SF to concentrate on this country and the new local assemblies in N.I.
Everyone's a winner.
As long as you are happy that the democratic will of all the people of Ireland is being subverted by unioinists who share your 'decontamination' views then thats ok is it?
Actually in my opinion such an outcome after November will undermine SF and work towards those republicans who wish to return to violence. But I suppose to you that is not the issue, to you the issue is anything bu SF. How sad!
And for someone who supports SF/IRA to talk about the Nazis, requires a level of chuzpah rarely seen (even on this website).
As for " republican dissidents", they choose to do what they do irrespective of political progress or the lack of it. The Omagh bombing came within a few months of the Belfast Agreement. With the co-operation of SF with the police both in N.I. and in this country, they will be defeated.
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The Republican movement has held out its hand in friendship and peace and has in return been betrayed.
Unfortunatly the SF hand was covered in the blood of the colleagues and families with whom they sought to engage.
A future generation of SF leaders may not have blood on its hands. By 2009 both SF and the DUP may well have new leaders and then a deal may be possible.
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I would replace the words, 'The Republican Movement', with 'David Trimble'.
I find it odd that the 'RA would disarm for Paisley and not Trimble, but then I suppose Paisley spoke to them in the kind of language they were capable of understanding.
I don't believe stopping killing others to be synonymous with, 'holding out its hand in friendship and peace'.
And wether you like it or not Sinn Fein represents the nationalist community of the 6 counties, their mandate can't be ignored. As for them maybe having a new leader by then, don't hold your breath, the membership decides who leads the party, no-one else.
So you think that if the two governments ignore the mandate of Sinn Fein by continuing direct rule, that the party would even contemplate giving recognision to the PSNI, either the GFA is implemented in full, including police reforms, or they have no chance.
SF represents some of the Nationalist community in NI.
And as for their mandate not being "ignored" - their mandate does NOT have priority over the mandate of the other parties - and until the other parties deem SF fit, in the wilderness they stay.
was that the hand with the armalite or the ballot box?
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