BBC accept UVF started the "troubles"

[ArtyQueing]

I was listening to the TV last night, and I usually do not bother, however I was quare gunked over the opening lines of the program about loyalist decommisioning, the presenter came out with, and I paraphrase, "most people say the troubles started in 1969 but they are wrong, they started in 1966 with the murder of Peter by Gusty Spence of the UVF".

What is the importance of this? Well it completely overturns the British govt line, supported of course by the BBC and in turn RTE and commentators from deefer world, that the loyalist violennce was only ever retaliatory and if the IRA was to blame.

Does this signal a shift in policy and are we now to be treated to a re-education process by the British as a prelude to something else?

Not sure what the program was but they interviewed Dawn Purvis of the PUP and Billy Hutchinson of whatever he wants to call it this week. Perhaps someone can help by filing in the blank in my memory. (Too many summers and too many alcoholic beverages

[cHeal]

Yeah I've seen other accounts of the troubles which seemed to point to a false flag attack on a power station by loyalists as the first throw of the dice, I don't know who this Peter fellow is to be honest but yeah it's nice to know they aren't just repeating a useful falsehood because it's easier than re-education.

[ArtyQueing]

Yeah I've seen other accounts of the troubles which seemed to point to a false flag attack on a power station by loyalists as the first throw of the dice, I don't know who this Peter fellow is to be honest but yeah it's nice to know they aren't just repeating a useful falsehood because it's easier than re-education.

Yes - new light out of old windows - Peter Ward - I thought you would know that, you being a knowledgable man.

Did a quick google search and it shows that despite all the references they stuck to there line so tight it influenced so many over the years in spite of reality . Here you go - from the unionist paper the belfast telegraph.

Why Gusty’s call should be heeded - Editors Viewpoint, Opinion - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk


and here it is from the British Broadcasting Corporation

BBC NEWS | UK | Northern Ireland | Pain of UVF victims' families

and here it is from that well known republican rag the Daily Mail

Timeline: A history of violence going back 95 years | Mail Online

and here it is from the pro republican web site scotchirish.net by a poster called Kilsally - remember him/her from somewhere do you?

UVF is to stand down at Somme commemoration - Scotch-Irish / Ulster-Scots Forums


Let us see what the divisionists say about this as they try to blame the Katlicks

[cHeal]

I'm pretty flaky on the North tbh. I am mostly a geo-political nerd tbh.

[Didimus]

A presenter making a statement means that BBC accepts means a shift in policy - have I missed something?

[toxic avenger]

It was defo the loyalists who started killing first, but what really needs to be explained is what 'quare gunked' means...

[lapsedmethodist]

It was defo the loyalists who started killing first, but what really needs to be explained is what 'quare gunked' means...

In itself this is an indication of revisionism. It's " quareLY gunked " It means scunnerthed.

[ArtyQueing]

yes - you have - read Kitson's book, gangs and counter gangs about the role of the press

[ArtyQueing]

In itself this is an indication of revisionism. It's " quareLY gunked " It means scunnerthed.

You are clearly not in touch with your Ulster Scot within.

[topotheday]

Perhaps Gusty was reacting to the border campaign? Perhaps the border campaign was a reaction to partition? Perhaps partition was a reaction to The Inquisition?

Absolutely pointless thread.