Rosemary Nelson inquiry wraps up deliberations

[Young Ned]

The inquiry has just wrapped up it deliberations and the judging panel are now compiling their findings.

Campaigners hope inquiry exposes truth about Rosemary Nelson murder - Local & National, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Not really a lot of news here, because there's been no date set for release of the report, but I wonder two things:

1) What do people expect their verdict to be? I don't know the character of the officials involved, but I note they're all British officials, and British inquiries into British behavior haven't impressed me in the past.

2) If they do come out affirming that collusion took place, do people expect that it will change anything? Can the same tit-for-tat debate about which paramilitary is worse continue in the face of knowledge that one was armed and aided by the same national government that was condemning and imprisoning the other as terrorists? In the wake of the Omagh bombing civil case, would collusion leave the British government open to their own lawsuits?

[st333ve]

2) If they do come out affirming that collusion took place, do people expect that it will change anything? Can the same tit-for-tat debate about which paramilitary is worse continue in the face of knowledge that one was armed and aided by the same national government that was condemning and imprisoning the other as terrorists?

The case wasnt about 'which paramilitary organisation was worse' the case is about the murder of an innocent woman, by a car bomb, yards from a school - a bomb which could have easily killed her children or others.

This was a woman who stood up against Billy Wright who was leading the Drumcree dispute, and other loyalists in portadown after they kicked an innocent man to death.
She was a brave woman, who took cases irrespective of what threats were involved, something that every solicitor has the legal right to do.
Everyone from killers, to peadophiles need a solicitor and their solicitors should never be targetted for doing their job which involves representing a wide range of people, innocent and guilty.

The 'who was worse' or 'theyre all as bad as eachother' sh1te doesnt stick in courts, you'll find it a lot on here because idiots cant look at an individual as a person, even one who was murdered after the GFA.

The only worrying thing is that this is another case of the British investigating themselves, independant cases should be brought when collusion is suspected or proved.

[Young Ned]

The case wasnt about 'which paramilitary organisation was worse' the case is about the murder of an innocent woman, by a car bomb, yards from a school - a bomb which could have easily killed her children or others.

This was a woman who stood up against Billy Wright who was leading the Drumcree dispute, and other loyalists in portadown after they kicked an innocent man to death.
She was a brave woman, who took cases irrespective of what threats were involved, something that every solicitor has the legal right to do.
Everyone from killers, to peadophiles need a solicitor and their solicitors should never be targetted for doing their job which involves representing a wide range of people, innocent and guilty.

The 'who was worse' or 'theyre all as bad as eachother' sh1te doesnt stick in courts, you'll find it a lot on here because idiots cant look at an individual as a person, even one who was murdered after the GFA.

I understand what the case was about. I was simply asking what people thought the effects would be if collusion was publicly acknowledged, as it would lay bare certain sacred cows. Essentially, I was considering the implications of the British government admitting British collusion. That's why one of my main questions was: would it leave them open to Omagh style civil suits?

As far as your last comment, I agree that it's worrying. It's not really at all certain that the outcome will be favorable.

[st333ve]

Collusion has already been proven, certain people will never accept it or they'll make excuses to support it.
Heres a frank admition.
http://www.politics.ie/history/77579...rried-out.html

The British forces here can do no wrong when you're their obediant loyal servant.

[Young Ned]

Collusion has already been proven, certain people will never accept it or they'll make excuses to support it.
Heres a frank admition.
http://www.politics.ie/history/77579...rried-out.html

The British forces here can do no wrong when you're their obediant loyal servant.

This would be a more institutionalized admission, rather than something that could be chalked up to an individual with his own motivations. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it would be the difference between a government admitting wrongdoing and hearsay, even if that hearsay is reliable.

[st333ve]

The Ombudsman also uncovered collusion, at this stage if people dont want to believe the British war machine here was up to negative things, then theyre never going to.

[Young Ned]

The Ombudsman also uncovered collusion, at this stage if people dont want to believe the British war machine here was up to negative things, then theyre never going to.

That's what I was trying to get at. You're saying that you don't think it matters what this report says, that the camps will stay largely where they are, and no minds will change.

Do you not think that it would at least open the door to Omagh style civil proceedings naming the British government as a party?

[femmefatale]

I wonder will anyone try to besmirch Rosemary Nelson's good name by pointing to the fact that her most high profile client was Colin Duffy, now a well-known republican dissident linked to recent killings.

[mutley]

I understand what the case was about. I was simply asking what people thought the effects would be if collusion was publicly acknowledged, as it would lay bare certain sacred cows. Essentially, I was considering the implications of the British government admitting British collusion. That's why one of my main questions was: would it leave them open to Omagh style civil suits?

As far as your last comment, I agree that it's worrying. It's not really at all certain that the outcome will be favorable.

Don't expect any sacred cow tipping any time soon re collusion

[the_moss]

I wonder will anyone try to besmirch Rosemary Nelson's good name by pointing to the fact that her most high profile client was Colin Duffy, now a well-known republican dissident linked to recent killings.

They already have. According to the RUC/PSNI they were having an affair for years and she was in some way facilitating his supposed activities.
Pure fabrication just like Ian og's fantom source in the Billy Wright inquiry imo.