Glorious Twelfth

[White Horse]

I wish all our Northern brethern the very best on their national day.

As a proponent of a united Ireland, I look forward to the day when we can all celebrate the "twelfth" in Dublin, capital city of a united Ireland.

As the history scholars among you will recognise, the Glorious Revolution was the starting point of modern parliamentary democracy and is something that should be celebrated by all democrats.

[Johnny]

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As a proponent of a united Ireland, I look forward to the day when we can all celebrate the "twelfth" in Dublin, capital city of a united Ireland.

I look forward to vitriolic sectarian abuse, the bonfires, the UDA shows of strength and the burning of Catholic families from their homes on a 32-county basis.

[White Horse]

I look forward to vitriolic sectarian abuse, the bonfires, the UDA shows of strength and the burning of Catholic families from their homes on a 32-county basis.

You would probably love that. More reason to continue to hate. It's all you guys are capable of.

[Johnny]

I look forward to vitriolic sectarian abuse, the bonfires, the UDA shows of strength and the burning of Catholic families from their homes on a 32-county basis.

You would probably love that. More reason to continue to hate. It's all you guys are capable of.

And how exactly does not supporting sectarian coat-trailing and triumphalism make me full of hate?

[DOD]

Whatever you may think WH, hate is not an emotion that republicans are comfortable with. It is love of freedom that inspires us to keep going.

[pogo]

Whatever you may think WH, hate is not an emotion that republicans are comfortable with. It is love of freedom that inspires us to keep going.

Noble sentiment, but I'm afraid most people will react to your statement with a healthy dose of scepticism.

I believe history's verdict on the Provisional's armed campaign would not be one of admiration for the heroic deeds of brave freedom fighters, but rather one of disgust for many acts of mean spirited nastiness.

And I don't believe your iconic figures, the hunger strikers, acted the way they did out of love, but rather out of hate, to 'up the ante' and add fuel to the flames.

Of course actors on 'the other side' also contributed to the hate-fest.

I don't believe the true 'freedom fighters' on either side to have been those who performed extreme acts of revenge or hatred or their cheerleaders

[Jozer]

What would be the problem with all of Ireland celebrating the sucessful defence of an Irish City against the British Army?

Catholics shouldn't have any problem with it. The Pope certainly didn't in 1690. Just like William of Orange, he didn't want the French to dominate Europe through puppets like the pathetic James II.

Us British could join in. After all, Irish PROTESTANT rebels made all of our lives better. What part of Britan or Ireland would be better off today if James had held on to power?

[Moderate]

As the history scholars among you will recognise, the Glorious Revolution was the starting point of modern parliamentary democracy and is something that should be celebrated by all democrats.

What would be the problem with all of Ireland celebrating the sucessful defence of an Irish City against the British Army?

Catholics shouldn't have any problem with it. The Pope certainly didn't in 1690. Just like William of Orange, he didn't want the French to dominate Europe through puppets like the pathetic James II.

Us British could join in. After all, Irish PROTESTANT rebels made all of our lives better. What part of Britan or Ireland would be better off today if James had held on to power?

Interesting! I have no clue about any of this. can some one help me out? I assumed it was dutch and english protestants wanting to kick the crap out of the catholics in ireland?

[Moderate]

moved to the history section, sorry

[Jozer]

It was nothing to do with 'kicking the crap out of Catholics in Ireland'.

It was a fight for the British Crown between those loyal to James II and the supporters of William of Orange, who was James' son-in-law. His wife Mary was the heir to the British throne until James' second wife produced a son. This son leapfrogged Mary & Ann in the succession because he was a he. The British Protestant establishment had tolerated James because both his heirs were Protestant. Suddenly presented with the probability of a Catholic dynasty they rebelled & invited William to come & take the crown. When he invaded with a Dutch army & the broad support of the British establishment, James fled to Ireland- the part of the UK where he had most support. On his way, he appears to have had a nervous breakdown, and threw the Royal Seal in the sea. William's supporters leapt on this as amounting to abdication.

The City of Londonderry were law abidding people who were nevertheless concerned that James might persecute them for their Protestantism. A group of young apprentices took matters in to their own hands by shutting the city gates in the face of James' army. The city was besieged for two years until William's navy relieved them. Later that year William's army defeated James' at the Boyne.

The Pope held a elebratory mass because James was linked to the Bourbons who wanted to put their own puppet in the Vatican.