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About LinkBacksYour interests would be better served dealing with the mans post rationally rather than pompously dismissing it while looking like an arrogant pleb.Originally Posted by centauro
Your interests would be better served dealing with the mans post rationally rather than pompously dismissing it while looking like an arrogant pleb.
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"We may have integrated schooling North and South where this educational apartheid nonsense is a thing of the past."
"Educational apartheid" is a smear phrase. Apartheid was a means of maintaining White privilege in South Africa. Segregated education in Ireland is a means by which Catholics protect themselves from anti-Catholic aggression in the classroom, in the school staffroom and in the school playground. Compare like only with like.
Eh, quite a few people have tried this, but Mr. Tom seems to have only one agenda. It is quite difficult having any kind of discussion from such a position, unfortunately.
"The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).
th reason it is Difficult for you to have reasonable discussion is because it is impossible to defend the unionist position, it has no basis in Logic or reality, it is purely sectarian.
you therefore find it difficult to discuss this, and instead make childish insults and rant on like a spoilt child.
why were they not respected when they voted for the SDLP ? As opposed to the SDLPs policies with a sinn fein label attached ?
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what did he say that was wrong ? youve justified the partion of ireland on the basis there are people of different professed nationalisities living there and therefore entitiled to their own states . Why cant we have a polish , lithuanian or nigerian enclave as well if they so desire one ? what would make their countries claim to our national territory any more illegal than britains ?
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This says it all. Nationalists are allowed to participate in the orange state. Great!! You are in essence calling for a reformed apartheid state, rather than equality. Would you have blamed black south africans from continuing with their struggle if this was what was on offer to them? Nothing less than equality will suffice. One person, one vote, no gerrymandering.
Unionists as settlers have no more right to declare independence or insist on maintaining their position within the UK than the white rhodesians did. The rubbish that some other posters have come off with about Unionists being a majority in the six counties has no relationship to the reality that they only consist anything like a majority in TWO of the counties, and even in those there are large portions which they are in the minority. Belfast City is about 50-50, and probably slightly nationalist majority.
Unionists are concentrated in South and East Antrim and North Down with a sizeable pocket in North Armagh/Portadown. Not even the Unionists are suggesting that they would be entitled to have an independent nation consisting of this territory. For a Unionist state to be viable, it requires nationalists to be brought under its control. That's exactly what happens in the 6 counties that have been referred to. That's the difference between the national aspirations of unionists and nationalists.
I have nothing against the 18% of the Irish population having rights commensurate with their share of the population. In areas where there are Unionist majorities (and in those areas they generally have large majorities) they should be able to have whatever level of autonomy that they consider appropriate themselves, but the same rights have to afforded to areas of nationalist majority.
Gone are the days of PSF calling for parity of esteem. They seem happy to accept that nationalists don't have the same rights as unionists. Despite the lip service, PSF no longer advocate an Ireland of Equals.
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