Gerrys comments in Galbally

[centauro]

Aye it s 2009 with the Union as strong as ever no Tks to Sin Fein...........Moderate Nationalism will never achieve the Republican Goal of ending British Rule in 6 counties of Ireland , Sin Fein are now no different to the Stoop Down Lower Party ( SDLP ) Admit it

ONLY moderate nationalism will bring about a united Ireland. You need to convince a minimum of 200,000 unionists to vote for it...murdering them, the police or army will not convince them.

[whofearstospeak?]

ONLY moderate nationalism will bring about a united Ireland. You need to convince a minimum of 200,000 unionists to vote for it...murdering them, the police or army will not convince them.

Unionists are the Minority in the 32 counties , that is how i measure the Country not just the 6 counties

[turdsl]

What a great vote S,F,gets in the North, the electorate must be respected.

[centauro]

Unionists are the Minority in the 32 counties , that is how i measure the Country not just the 6 counties

You may choose to live in a La La land where partition never happened and the border doesnt exist, the rest of us live in reality. I say again, Ireland will only be united when the people are united. Start trying to convince unionists.

[whofearstospeak?]

You may choose to live in a La La land where partition never happened and the border doesnt exist, the rest of us live in reality. I say again, Ireland will only be united when the people are united. Start trying to convince unionists.

La La Land is Believing that Ireland is a Country of 32 counties and that the Majority of the Island are Irish and not British , well then il stay in La La land

[pete2]

La La Land is Believing that Ireland is a Country of 32 counties and that the Majority of the Island are Irish and not British , well then il stay in La La land

Is the flag of that country green white and orange? The orange is what centauro is on about.

[groundhog day]

Is the flag of that country green white and orange? The orange is what centauro is on about.

Yeah, but by having partition, what's the point in having the orange in the flag at all? You may as well have a green flag for the free state, and an orange one for the north, although all the good work gerry's done in persuading unionists they might just allow a green patch to be sewn on somewhere near the bottom.

u will never encourage unionism to engage with the rest of ireland by maintaining a partitionist orange state. that's like saying that by maintaining apartheid that you might just persuade white south africa to engage with the black majority.

[centauro]

La La Land is Believing that Ireland is a Country of 32 counties and that the Majority of the Island are Irish and not British , well then il stay in La La land

All the Irish are, err, Irish. Some choose to send their political representatives to London, to parliament, rather than Dublin, to an institution which has it's very name in a language which is alien to them. The republic has some work to do, but only a minority of unionists have to be persuaded. 50% + 1 means a united Ireland (GFA?). Whats your alternative? Murder? Bombing? What?

[groundhog day]

All the Irish are, err, Irish. Some choose to send their political representatives to London, to parliament, rather than Dublin, to an institution which has it's very name in a language which is alien to them. The republic has some work to do, but only a minority of unionists have to be persuaded. 50% + 1 means a united Ireland (GFA?). Whats your alternative? Murder? Bombing? What?

But why would a unionist be persuaded to unite with the rest of ireland, when they have a veto in place as things are? The minute they get to 50+1 their veto is gone. The GFA might seem like it only requires a relatively small number of unionists to switch allegiance, but the reality is it re-inforces partition. It gives no incentive to unionists to join a united ireland. And on the other hand it brings nationalists into the british state, those who were once fighting it are now administering it. And an orange state (for that's the only way that you can describe a state that is based on a unionist veto) is only going to perpetuate sectarianism.

If there was a declaration of withdawal, unionists would have to start to engage with the rest of ireland. When British withdrawal was seen as being a possibility at the height of the conflict, loyalists were actually considering the alternative of a federal ireland as set out in the eire nua programme, long abandonned by psf, but still advocated by rsf. More of them were however considering a UDI. But the point is that once the certainty of partition and enforced sectarianism is gone, then processes will develop whereby unionists will engage with nationalists, not on the basis of a veto, but on a basis of equality.

[pete2]

But why would a unionist be persuaded to unite with the rest of ireland, when they have a veto in place as things are? The minute they get to 50+1 their veto is gone. The GFA might seem like it only requires a relatively small number of unionists to switch allegiance, but the reality is it re-inforces partition. It gives no incentive to unionists to join a united ireland. And on the other hand it brings nationalists into the british state, those who were once fighting it are now administering it. And an orange state (for that's the only way that you can describe a state that is based on a unionist veto) is only going to perpetuate sectarianism.

If there was a declaration of withdawal, unionists would have to start to engage with the rest of ireland. When British withdrawal was seen as being a possibility at the height of the conflict, loyalists were actually considering the alternative of a federal ireland as set out in the eire nua programme, long abandonned by psf, but still advocated by rsf. More of them were however considering a UDI. But the point is that once the certainty of partition and enforced sectarianism is gone, then processes will develop whereby unionists will engage with nationalists, not on the basis of a veto, but on a basis of equality.

Is it not since St.Andrews that a majority of the majority need to agree ie. 50+1% of unionist in the north need to want it? I agree that is wrong, and the entire situation should be considered on an all island basis, but even on that basis, the south does not vote for parties that demand unification, they vote for parties that want unification by consensus, so you are back at square one again. They are the ones to blame, not the unionist. If the voters of the south returned a party that demanded unification then it would be game over.