What's so GREAT about Britian?

[greasytrucker]

Two questions;

Who was the child Francis Hughes killed?

If Oram was not SAS, how come the SAS brag about the killing of Hogan and Martin in Dunloy, the exchange in which Oram died?

Its doubtful Sgt Ogram was SAS, as he was from an armored unit, the det recruited tri-service,(RAF reg, RMs, army) to keep its operators without a unit characteristic look. Most were not SAS.

21 February 1984 - Sergeant Paul Oram (26), a member of the British Army (14 Intelligence Company, parent regiment 9th/12th Royal Lancers), Declan Martin (18) and Henry Hogan (21), both Catholic members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army, were killed in a gun battle between undercover British Army members and Provisional Irish Republican Army members, Dunloy. According to some sources the IRA discovered the 14 Intelligence Company in place keeping a house in Dunloy under surveillance. Three IRA men attempted an ambush in which Sergeant Oram was killed and another soldier wounded, although one of the soldiers had radioed for help. Two unmarked cars arrived, and Martin and Hogan were shot dead, while another IRA man escaped. Local people reported one IRA man calling for help before being "finished off". Martin and Hogan were members of the Provisional IRA North Antrim Brigade.


The 10 yr old girl Hughes murderd was Lesley Gordon.

Heres the Sinn Fein BS version.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/3503

[andyadc]

Why would they want good pensions, hospitals and quality of life when they can have all this instead?





High debt, crap quality of life?
Who cares when you can invade Iraq!

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH LMFAO !!!!!!

Im laughing at you, not with you

[Riadach]

Henry VIII had three children.

(1) - Mary (Catholic) daughter of Catherine of Arragone, who went on to marry the King of Scotland, who died, and in the Scotish tradition left her ruling Scotland as Queen. She had one son by him, James.
(2) - Elizabeth (Protestant) daughter of Anne Boelyn, who never married and died without issue.

(3) - Edward (Protestant) mothers name escapes me just at this minute. Always of poor health. Jane Seymour

When Henry died, Edward became King. He was always a sickly child and died after six months on the throne aged 16. His older sister Elizabeth was suspected of helping him on his way.

Elizabeth assumed the throne as Queen even though her older sister Mary was next in line. The war that followed between Queen Elizabeth I and Mary Queen of Scots is of course famous. It ended with the capture of Mary who was beheaded by Elizbeth (a bit of a grusome botch job to be honest).

Elizabeth went on to become a famous English Queen but died without issue (to call her a virgin would insult everyones intelligence). So Mary's son James who was now James I of Scotland, who had in the meantime converted to become a protestant, inherited the throne becoming also James I of England. He moved his court from Edinburgh to London and passed laws joining Scotland and England as one country a United Kingdom which he gave the latin name "Magnus Britania" or in English "Great Britain".

The word Great is a reference to the fact that the two kingdoms had been united as one larger/greater country. Wales was not included as it is only a Principality which is in theory governed by the Prince of Wales on behalf of the Monarch of Great Britain. The then Kingdom of Ireland was added to the union in 1800 forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Thankfully, 26 counties of Ireland broke away in 1921 and declared a Republic in 1948. Leaving 6 counties in Ulster, the Kingdom of Northern Ireland, within the Union, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

In summary the title "Great" will only be dropped if England and Scotland separate, disolving the original union.

Some large historical inaccuracies there!

[5intheface]

Its doubtful Sgt Ogram was SAS, as he was from an armored unit, the det recruited tri-service,(RAF reg, RMs, army) to keep its operators without unit a characteristic look.

21 February 1984 - Sergeant Paul Oram (26), a member of the British Army (14 Intelligence Company, parent regiment 9th/12th Royal Lancers), Declan Martin (18) and Henry Hogan (21), both Catholic members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army, were killed in a gun battle between undercover British Army members and Provisional Irish Republican Army members, Dunloy. According to some sources the IRA discovered the 14 Intelligence Company in place keeping a house in Dunloy under surveillance. Three IRA men attempted an ambush in which Sergeant Oram was killed and another soldier wounded, although one of the soldiers had radioed for help. Two unmarked cars arrived, and Martin and Hogan were shot dead, while another IRA man escaped. Local people reported one IRA man calling for help before being "finished off". Martin and Hogan were members of the Provisional IRA North Antrim Brigade.


The 10 yr old girl Hughes murderd was Lesley Gordon.

It has always been said about here, before even Hughes was arrested, that McGlinchey was responsible for that incident. I don't see how wanting it to be Hughes makes it so. He may well have been involved, I have no proof one way or the other and neither have you but as yet there appears to be no evidence. A murder in South Derry and Hughes a suspect? That seems to be the extent of the evidence.

As for Dunloy, we were told the SAS killed Hogan and Martin yet you expect us to believe that Oram wasn't SAS?

[mutley]

Henry VIII had three children.

(1) - Mary (Catholic) daughter of Catherine of Arragone, who went on to marry the King of Scotland, who died, and in the Scotish tradition left her ruling Scotland as Queen. She had one son by him, James.

(2) - Elizabeth (Protestant) daughter of Anne Boelyn, who never married and died without issue.

(3) - Edward (Protestant) mothers name escapes me just at this minute. Always of poor health.

When Henry died, Edward became King. He was always a sickly child and died after six months on the throne aged 16. His older sister Elizabeth was suspected of helping him on his way.

Elizabeth assumed the throne as Queen even though her older sister Mary was next in line. The war that followed between Queen Elizabeth I and Mary Queen of Scots is of course famous. It ended with the capture of Mary who was beheaded by Elizbeth (a bit of a grusome botch job to be honest).

Elizabeth went on to become a famous English Queen but died without issue (to call her a virgin would insult everyones intelligence). So Mary's son James who was now James I of Scotland, who had in the meantime converted to become a protestant, inherited the throne becoming also James I of England. He moved his court from Edinburgh to London and passed laws joining Scotland and England as one country a United Kingdom which he gave the latin name "Magnus Britania" or in English "Great Britain".

The word Great is a reference to the fact that the two kingdoms had been united as one larger/greater country. Wales was not included as it is only a Principality which is in theory governed by the Prince of Wales on behalf of the Monarch of Great Britain. The then Kingdom of Ireland was added to the union in 1800 forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Thankfully, 26 counties of Ireland broke away in 1921 and declared a Republic in 1948. Leaving 6 counties in Ulster, the Kingdom of Northern Ireland, within the Union, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

In summary the title "Great" will only be dropped if England and Scotland separate, disolving the original union.

Henry VIII helped to bring the protestant reformation to England, because he wanted to divorce one of the wives but the Pope wouldn't grant it.

[caulfield]

It has always been said about here, before even Hughes was arrested, that McGlinchey was responsible for that incident. I don't see how wanting it to be Hughes makes it so. He may well have been involved, I have no proof one way or the other and neither have you but as yet there appears to be no evidence. A murder in South Derry and Hughes a suspect? That seems to be the extent of the evidence.

As for Dunloy, we were told the SAS killed Hogan and Martin yet you expect us to believe that Oram wasn't SAS?

"Lost Lives" hints that Hughes was involved.

[joel]

One of the great failings of the ROI is that it did not invest in a navy.
Rather than join the EU which in my opinion was a retrograde step, we could have instead developed our fishing industry (the only natural resource we had) and utilized the navy to protect those valuable fish stocks from foreign poachers.
We given away 60 billion euro of fish to the EU which is more than what we received in return, and also bearing in mind that we shall be obliged to pay that back sometime in the future.
A properly funded navy would have paid us dividends.

What, blowing fishing boats out of the water? Bloodthirsty bastasrd.

[Odyessus]

Henry VIII helped to bring the protestant reformation to England, because he wanted to divorce one of the wives but the Pope wouldn't grant it.

This is a common misconception. The Catholic Church does not do divorce.

Henry wanted an annulment; i.e. a declaration that a valid marriage had never existed.

[5intheface]

"Lost Lives" hints that Hughes was involved.

He is llinked to every incident in South Derry/North Antrim in the mid-seventies including ones which happened on the same night forty miles apart. Hughes was a painter by trade and McGlinchey an Electrician and yet Hughes is often credited with inventing a particular type of booby trap, it makes little sense. It isn't that people want to glorify Hughes' name, the opinion that he wasn't involved was well known, as I said, before he was even arrested and was not coming solely from his supporters. It wasn't difficult considering the times for details of attacks to be widely known by the community.

If someone is an opponent of Hughes and his actions, there are plenty of doccumented and alleged incicidents which are attributed to him of no less a serious nature but simply claiming he did it as in GT's post above is not proof. There was a very similar incident in Innisrush in which an RUC man was killed. In that case, there was a similar device used but word was that Hughes and McGlinchey were both involved. It's really all speculation on both sides and none of it can be posted here as fact.

[joel]

This is a common misconception. The Catholic Church does not do divorce.

Henry wanted an annulment; i.e. a declaration that a valid marriage had never existed.

So he got himself a church with no principles!