Martin McGuinness:
He said important steps to unity “can be made in the life of this assembly but even more importantly, in the life of the next assembly”.
“If it doesn’t happen in 2016 then we will be working to make it happen in 2017 or, as I am working towards, 2014,”
How is he working towards 2014. Does he plan to have a referendum this year, or what is significant about 2014?
I suppose he just always has to sound hopeful, it's not as if he can stand up and say 'Nope, never will it happen, and if it does, it will probably be by the end of the century.'
You never know though, we are living in times of MASSIVE change, unexpected things can happen quite quickly, who knows..
Ireland is free for another day.
Time frame isn't important. What is important is that we keep working towards that goal, legitimately and democratically.
"The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight.” -Golda Meir
Its just easter time and he has to make patriotic noises . Hes no longer able to assure his followers as he used to thatOriginally Posted by dazzler
therell be no ceasefire without a British withdrawal
no return to stormont
no acceptance of partiton and the unionist veto
no decomissioning, not an ounce
etc etc and other assorted piles of rubbish he used to say to sound patriotic . Instead hes forced to resort to telling these kinds of outlandish lies to the gullible instead because hed be kicked out as first minister if he got too chucky . Martin McGuinness is full of s*it , as per usual .
theres nothing legitimate or democratic about a gerrymandered artificial statelet carved out of Irish territory by a coloniser for purely sectarian reasons , nothing legitmate or democrqatic about the crime of partition and nothing legitmate or democratic about foreign occupation of Irish territory by a colonial power and member of NATO .Time frame isn't important. What is important is that we keep working towards that goal, legitimately and democratically.
What you are talking about is working within the rules and preconditions laid by the occupying power with assistance from their NATO partner the USA . Rules and preconditions with no reference whatsoever to international law which legitmised partiton , legitmised occupation and insisted foreign occupation and sovereign claims over Irish territory must be accepted as completely legitimate and democratic . That all counter claims to sovereignty abandoned and revoked by the Irish people in return for being permitted to aspire towards unification , which the Dublin governemnt and its constitution does not even aspire to do .
This process was never intended to lead towards national reunification but to do exactly the opposite , cement partiton and legitmise British rule and make it function more effectively . And thats what has happened and will continue to happen .
Were one to assert Irish sovereignty was legitimate and democratic and challnge British sovereignty as regards its legitmacy and democratric credentials youd be in breach of both the British downing street treaty and the Mitchell principles , and therefore kicked out of office and stormont .
Britian and its NATO partner the USA simply predetermined the rules of the game and with that the result beforehand .
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Violence is in the past and has no support from real Nationalists and Republicans who view their cause as a positive inculsive strategy for the benefit of Ireland, not the meathead gun slinging nonsence that minority militant republican parties are pushing.
I think he's counting on economic Repulicanism to shift the tide fast when Cameron becomes Priminister of the UK and cuts out the public service jobs.
By that stage the north should be considering using its highly educated workforce to attract investment and dropping its corp tax etc. in order to kickstart a proper economy.
The north is dead in the water while it remains part of the UK, it has huge potential that is ate up by adopting forced unsuitable economic policies devised for London while having an overly inflated public sector taking the workforce away from the private sector.
A new economic based Republican strategy will probobly bring about a more respectable brand of nationalism for people and grow support, kind of like what the SNP are using.
Attacking the ridiculousness of a medievil union and its negative impact economically will be the new way of thinking.
The 'we're better off in the UK' nonsence should be worn pretty thin when people see their own politicians doing a very good job at running the north in place of the British.
The end of the recession will bring huge shifts to how people think when the worlds nations grab for economic growth.
The north will be left behind if it cannot have full control of its own economic strategies and policies.
If we witness an influx of incoming investment to the Republic while we remain the more expensive unattractive wasteland, things will change.
The people in the north will become more and more concerned with economics and welfare after they witness a recession and demand economic growth afterwards.
If being in the UK prevents the factories and jobs coming here then people will have to vote for a referendum with this in mind.
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Abstinence makes the Church grow fondlers.
Or 2016 for that matter.
I suppose sooner rather than later is most peoples idea.
My eyes glazed over after the first 4 sentences of that rant. The GFA has been passsed by the electorates North and South. I don't like it but that is democracy. Suggesting the US had anyhting to do with it shows your ultra left paranoioa. Par for the course I suppose.
"The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight.” -Golda Meir
the USA had nothing to do with the stormont treaty ? nothing to do with the mitchell princples ? are you serious ?
course your not , your an eejit . you couldnt address a single point and instead made an absolutely stupid one . Pathetic , as expected .
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[quote=st333ve;1559818]its not in the past . There are thousands of heavily armed British troops , police and special forces running about Ireland in the present .Violence is in the past and has no support from real Nationalists and Republicans who view their cause as a positive inculsive strategy for the benefit of Ireland, not the meathead gun slinging nonsence that minority militant republican parties are pushing.
what ?? what..uugnnnhhh...whats this ?I think he's counting on economic Repulicanism to shift the tide fast when Cameron becomes Priminister of the UK and cuts out the public service jobs.
the north doesnt set corproation tax . Were you even slightly educated youd know that . Its highly educated population only does call centres and burger flipping . Theres no such thing as a proper economy in an artifical basketcase of a partitioned state carved out of localised sectarian antagonisms in order to perpetuate them and cement british rule in Ireland . Thats all that matters to the brits , that they stay . Nothing else .By that stage the north should be considering using its highly educated workforce to attract investment and dropping its corp tax etc. in order to kickstart a proper economy.
you cant attack something as ridiculous when youve signed agreements , principles and taken oaths of office supporting it as legitmateThe north is dead in the water while it remains part of the UK, it has huge potential that is ate up by adopting forced unsuitable economic policies devised for London while having an overly inflated public sector taking the workforce away from the private sector.
A new economic based Republican strategy will probobly bring about a more respectable brand of nationalism for people and grow support, kind of like what the SNP are using.
Attacking the ridiculousness of a medievil union and its negative impact economically will be the new way of thinking.
like they did from 1922 to 72 ?The 'we're better off in the UK' nonsence should be worn pretty thin when people see their own politicians doing a very good job at running the north in place of the British.
The end of the recession
call me a tad cynical but im sorely tempted here to scrabble around this site digging out your previous predictions of assured unity due to economic issues and the rest . The ones that procalimed the celtic tiger and the souths economic miracle would lead to unity without a doubt , unionists voting with their pockets , etc etc etc .
will bring huge shifts to how people think when the worlds nations grab for economic growth.
The north will be left behind if it cannot have full control of its own economic strategies and policies.
If we witness an influx of incoming investment to the Republic while we remain the more expensive unattractive wasteland, things will change.
The people in the north will become more and more concerned with economics and welfare after they witness a recession and demand economic growth afterwards.
If being in the UK prevents the factories and jobs coming here then people will have to vote for a referendum with this in mind.
but ill not bother . Im sure people have an actual memory and wont forget how many times you made such grand predicitons in the same assured manner .
British rule wont come to an end until Irish people challenge its legitmacy in the forst place . Simple as .
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The people on the island of Ireland will be "united" within 5 years? LOL
Some hope.
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