Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 23

Thread: Strategy for unity barely visible under wreckage: Newton Emerson

  1. #11
    Politics.ie Regular Pat Mc Larnon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    North Belfast
    Posts
    5,633

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Crowley View Post
    No you picked wee bits out to poke at Pat. How about explaining to us the shinner strategy for unification. That'll be funnier than anything Emerson could ever write.

    Follow the thread it is simple enough. The first paragraph of Emerson is trite I then moved onto the 2nd, 3rd and 4th and commented on them. It should be easy enough to follow.

  2. #12
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    3,184

    Quote Originally Posted by code twinkle View Post
    One, it is clear, Mr Crowley and Newton Emerson both fail to understand the PIRA campaign and fail also to understand the dissident activities.
    How so, in my case that is?

    The rest of your post misses the fundamental reality that PSF have sold out, accepted the Unionist veto and are now an integral part of the British administration. Ulsterisation, Criminalisation/Gombeenisation, Normalisation.

  3. #13
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    3,184

    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Mc Larnon View Post
    Follow the thread it is simple enough. The first paragraph of Emerson is trite I then moved onto the 2nd, 3rd and 4th and commented on them. It should be easy enough to follow.
    Don't be shy Pat, what's the strategy. There is one isn't there?

  4. #14
    Politics.ie Regular TradCat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    7,332

    The difference between the dissidents and the provos is that we have an agreement now. I'm not justifying anything the provos did but they were the product of an imposed solution in partion, an failed and inflexible orange state and a British strategy for a military solution


    We are in a new ball game now and the failure of the dissidents to come to terms with it makes them enemies of all the Irish people.

    Emerson's point that the Sinn Fein plan hasn't worked assumes he understands what the plan was. I'm not sure they would confide in him. A lot of what he sees as part of the plan for unity was ti my eyes part of the plan to bring the armed struggle to an end.

    Sinn Fein can't bring about unity on their own but we have other nationalist parties. Where is their strategy?

  5. #15
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    3,184

    Quote Originally Posted by TradCat View Post

    Sinn Fein can't bring about unity on their own but we have other nationalist parties. Where is their strategy?
    Why question the strategies of other parties on a thread about the PSF strategy when their representatives cannot outline a strategy. That only diverts attention from the shinner failings in this regard.
    The armed militants, or 'traitors' as PSF calls them, don't have a viable strategy either. But again this thread is about the PSF unification strategy or absence thereof.

  6. #16
    Politics.ie Regular TradCat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    7,332

    Mr Crowley

    I find the question of unity itself more interesting than Shinner bashing for the sake of it. I never remember anyone from Sinn Fein claiming that they could bring about Irish unity on their own.

    Some of us were encouraged when parties in the south appeared to be looking at extending their operation into the north. It is disappointing that nothing came of that. maybe they are not interested and they can see that it causes difficulties for Sinn Fein.

    But at least SF have an all-Ireland presence.

  7. #17
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    3,184

    Quote Originally Posted by TradCat View Post
    Mr Crowley

    I find the question of unity itself more interesting than Shinner bashing for the sake of it. I never remember anyone from Sinn Fein claiming that they could bring about Irish unity on their own.

    Some of us were encouraged when parties in the south appeared to be looking at extending their operation into the north. It is disappointing that nothing came of that. maybe they are not interested and they can see that it causes difficulties for Sinn Fein.

    But at least SF have an all-Ireland presence.
    They may well have an all Ireland presence but they are assimilated into the administration of British rule in the 6 on the basis of a fraudulent strategy founded on a series of deceits.
    As for 26C parties, there's not a decent one among them.
    The Irish people need to stand up and demand better.

  8. #18
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    EIRE 32 Poblacht na hEireann
    Posts
    3,529

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Crowley View Post
    Why question the strategies of other parties on a thread about the PSF strategy when their representatives cannot outline a strategy. That only diverts attention from the shinner failings in this regard.
    The armed militants, or 'traitors' as PSF calls them, don't have a viable strategy either. But again this thread is about the PSF unification strategy or absence thereof.
    i beg to differ Mr Crowley, Republican Sinn Fein have a strategy for unity, and possibly the only viable one, EIRE NUA is its name the same policy Adams and Marty discarded because they said it was a sop to loyalism.

    Ruari O Bradaigh had a number of meetings with senior Unionists in the late 70`s and proposed Eire Nua to them, the unionists said other than remaining in the british union or becoming an independant state, they would accept the Eire Nua policy as the most generous solution to the situation,

    this is promising and i believe it could work in Reality.

    EIRE NUA http://www.rsf.ie/eirenua.htm

  9. #19
    Politics.ie Regular pete2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    3,447

    Full text of the article is at
    Slugger O'Toole

    Thought it was a funny bit of fluff from Newton Emerson, hes probably right SF are pretty rudderless on this entire thing now, am expecting an attempt to reassert their intentions next week.
    "I don't think Martin McGuinness necessarily intended to kill anyone while in the IRA." factual

  10. #20
    Politics.ie Regular bugibba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    195

    "Sinn Fein can't bring about unity on their own but we have other nationalist parties. Where is their strategy?"

    I have yet to see any politician on the island produce any plan for uniting the people of the island.

    The established strategy seems to be to tell the population of the Northeast of the island what they must do to be permitted to become Irish.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Visible Signs of Recession in Ireland Observed
    By old timer in forum Current Affairs
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 17th May 2009, 06:28 PM
  2. Newton Emerson.. Sick of Peace!
    By Bob Dylan in forum Northern Ireland
    Replies: 55
    Last Post: 10th January 2008, 12:16 AM
  3. Newton Emerson
    By campbeca in forum Political Humour
    Replies: 38
    Last Post: 13th February 2007, 10:20 AM