PSNI now 26.14% catholic

[PaulMeyer]

Pearse got his democratic vote afterwards.

Yes, by which time he was dead. Anyway, by the time of the GFA referendum the people of Ireland were able to look back on 30+years of the so-called "Armed Struggle" and see what it had achieved, a lot of wealthy undertakers. They effectively and unambiguously voted against it.
Any group seeking to re-start a terrorist campaign of murder and mayhem is clearly doing so in spite of the expressed wish of the people of Ireland.

[Barry Mayne]

Yes, by which time he was dead. Anyway, by the time of the GFA referendum the people of Ireland were able to look back on 30+years of the so-called "Armed Struggle" and see what it had achieved, a lot of wealthy undertakers. They effectively and unambiguously voted against it.
Any group seeking to re-start a terrorist campaign of murder and mayhem is clearly doing so in spite of the expressed wish of the people of Ireland.

Did the people of Ireland want the Easter Rising? Of course not. Only afterwards did they understand that it was necessary in order to throw out the oppressor.

[PaulMeyer]

Did the people of Ireland want the Easter Rising? Of course not. Only afterwards did they understand that it was necessary in order to throw out the oppressor.

You're being evasive, the people of Ireland have clearly expressed their views, what more do you want? How difficult can it be for you to understand that there is no desire for further bloodshed?.
Having said that there was precious little apetite for it during the "troubles", but it went on anyway.

[Barry Mayne]

You're being evasive, the people of Ireland have clearly expressed their views, what more do you want? How difficult can it be for you to understand that there is no desire for further bloodshed?.
Having said that there was precious little apetite for it during the "troubles", but it went on anyway.

The people's views will change with time. It will not be an easy road, but it must be trod none the less. Ireland unfree shall ever be at peace.

[fionnmccool]

When the war has been won we too shall turn to politics.

Politics is a part of life and cannot be avoided. Every time you make a decision affecting your life and the lives of others, its' political and subject to political terminology e.g labels such as democratic, fascist etc.
It should borne in mind that democracy is an inalienable right and not something to take or leave at ones own convenience.
On this point you appear to have a problem and feel the vote was forced ?
If we gathered the people of Ireland into one large room and asked them what they want and they told you to leave the situation as it is based upon their own good judgement, knowing the history and knowing the pain and the problems; you wouldnt listen ? Isnt' a democratic decision a legitimate decision all the same even if a difficult and painful one? You'd call them deluded , uneducated , undeserving of the right to decide how to get on with their own lives ? Isnt' that a bit arrogant or even akin to the imperialist attitude , telling the natives whats good for them ? Or like Hitler in his bunker who thought the German people let him down ?

[Barry Mayne]

Politics is a part of life and cannot be avoided. Every time you make a decision affecting your life and the lives of others, its' political and subject to political terminology e.g labels such as democratic, fascist etc.
It should borne in mind that democracy is an inalienable right and not something to take or leave at ones own convenience.
On this point you appear to have a problem and feel the vote was forced ?
If we gathered the people of Ireland into one large room and asked them what they want and they told you to leave the situation as it is based upon their own good judgement, knowing the history and knowing the pain and the problems; you wouldnt listen ? Isnt' a democratic decision a legitimate decision all the same even if a difficult and painful one? You'd call them deluded , uneducated , undeserving of the right to decide how to get on with their own lives ? Isnt' that a bit arrogant or even akin to the imperialist attitude , telling the natives whats good for them ? Or like Hitler in his bunker who thought the German people let him down ?

History tells us that republicans who have allowed themselves to be seduced by politics are eventually cowed into submission. That as been the weakness that the Brits have exploited down through the years. They identified the politicos in the republican movement and they nurtured them until the time was right to do business with them. Politics is a weakness we can ill afford. There will be time enough for politics when the British are kicked out of Ireland.

[PaulMeyer]

After reading this:

The people's views will change with time. It will not be an easy road, but it must be trod none the less. Ireland unfree shall ever be at peace.

and then this:

History tells us that republicans who have allowed themselves to be seduced by politics are eventually cowed into submission. That as been the weakness that the Brits have exploited down through the years. They identified the politicos in the republican movement and they nurtured them until the time was right to do business with them. Politics is a weakness we can ill afford. There will be time enough for politics when the British are kicked out of Ireland.

I really don't think there is any point in debating with you, "seduced by politics" indeed. Mustn't let thoughtful discussion and reasoned debate get in the way of a bit of straightforward, uncomplicated killing I suppose.
It's at times like these that I begin to think that republicanism is not so much a political viewpoint as a mental illness.

[Barry Mayne]

After reading this:



and then this:



I really don't think there is any point in debating with you, "seduced by politics" indeed. Mustn't let thoughtful discussion and reasoned debate get in the way of a bit of straightforward, uncomplicated killing I suppose.
It's at times like these that I begin to think that republicanism is not so much a political viewpoint as a mental illness.

They laughed at Pearse once too.

[pete2]

The Irish people were duped by a combination of the British government, their Irish 'government' proxies and their Sinn Fein agents into putting down their weapons and turning to politics.

For a military solution, I believe this is what you are advocating, you need a military strategy. We know what the war aims are. When you have a strategy to achieve those war aims you will have all the volunteers needed to implement it. You can only appeal to a minority using ideas like patriotism, valor, and ideas of national spiritualism. Nobody will remember the hand wringers and objectors when you win. If such are remembered by history it will be as traitors and lick spittle's.