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    M15 withheld info on Omagh bomb.

    ...and some on here say that the Brits are a power of good on this island?

    MI5 'kept police in dark over Omagh bomb'


    24/02/2006 - 09:56:41

    MI5 withheld vital anti-terrorism intelligence just months before the Omagh bomb atrocity, it was revealed today.

    Although the agency helped thwart an attack planned on the Co Tyrone town or Derry at the time of the signing of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, it kept police in the North in the dark about the bomb plot, according to authoritative security sources.

    Even after the outrage which killed 29 people, MI5 failed to inform Special Branch of the threat, and details have only just emerged as part of an investigation into an FBI agent who infiltrated the Real IRA, the dissident republican group, which carried out the attack.

    Relatives of some of the Omagh dead said today they were astonished by the disclosure, and with MI5 preparing next year to take control of national security intelligence in the North, one MP called on Downing Street to abandon its plan.

    SDLP leader Mark Durkan said: “Allowing MI5 to have a lead role in intelligence in Northern Ireland would be like appointing Herod as childrens’ commissioner.”

    Michael Gallagher, whose son Aidan, 21, was among those killed, said: “At best, this is criminal negligence. At worst, it’s assisting a terrorist murder plot.”

    Three dissident republicans were arrested and later released without charge at the time of the foiled April 1998 bomb plot.

    It followed an MI5 tip-off involving American FBI agent David Rupert, who was working undercover in the ranks of the Real IRA, warning that Omagh or Derry - but most likely Omagh – was to be hit by a dissident republican unit based in Fermanagh and the Letterkenny area of neighbouring Co Donegal.

    The car containing a mortar bomb was never found, although it is believed the device may have been the same as one used in an attack on security forces in the border town of Belleek, Co Fermanagh, three weeks later.

    At the time, the Royal Ulster Constabulary was aware that a planned terrorist operation had been disrupted, but according to authoritative security sources today, police found no trace on their records of any MI5 intelligence that Omagh, or Derry, was going to be a target.

    Details emerged after inquiries in the United States where detectives investigating Omagh spoke with Rupert and examined emails which the agent once exchanged with his FBI and MI5 handlers.

    It was Rupert’s evidence to a court in Dublin in 2003 which helped convict the Real IRA leader Michael McKevitt, who was jailed for 20 years for directing terrorism.

    Police in the Irish Republic are not being blamed for holding back on any information linked to the failed bomb plot, four-and-a-half months before Omagh was attacked in August 1998 by a gang based in south Armagh and Co Louth.

    But there is serious unease among security chiefs about MI5’s handling of the affair.

    It is understood the agency also failed to inform two senior UK police officers called in by the Northern Ireland Policing Board and the Police Service of Northern Ireland to quality-assure a new investigation after the initial one came in for such fierce criticism by Police Ombudsman Nuala O’Loan.

    Mr Gallagher said today’s revelation would heighten the pressure on the British and Irish governments to set up a full cross-border independent inquiry.

    He said: “MI5 is considered one of the top intelligence agencies in the world and had their finger very much on the pulse, yet they failed to notify the RUC that Omagh was a chosen target of a very active terrorist group.”

    Mr Gallagher, who met British prime minister Tony Blair in Downing Street last month, added: “There must be a cross-border pulic inquiry to establish a truthful account of all events surrounding Omagh.

    “It must be thorough, comprehensive and impartial to find out exactly what happened and who should be held responsible for any failings. It is only then that the families can begin to heal.”

    The Omagh relatives are pressing ahead with a High Court civil action seeking £14m (€21m) compensation against the five men they blame for the bombing.

    Next September the trial is due to begin of Sean Hoey, 36, from south Armagh, who has denied murdering the 29 people. The case is expected to last six months.

    Last week Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain introduced a Bill in the House of Commons which would give MI5 the lead role in handling agents and informers from 2007 – a move heavily criticised by the SDLP and Sinn Féin.

    Nationalists claim the agency’s new role also undermines policing reforms because it will not face the scrutiny of the Policing Board.

    Mr Durkan said: “This latest revelation underscores the case that MI5 cannot be trusted to work in the true public interest, or relied upon to cooperate properly with other authorities.

    “This also highlights MI5’s culture of intelligence for its own sake, used and handled for its own ends rather than through lawful democratic public interest.”

    A spokeswoman for the chief constable, Hugh Orde, said that over the next two years, police would work to ensure that proper systems existed between MI5 and the PSNI to disseminate intelligence between both organisations.

    She said: “That preparatory work will continue right up until 2007 and will take into consideration lessons learnt from the past.

    “The Chief Constable is already on record as saying that he will not sign up to any arrangement that does not have his complete confidence.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by news report
    it kept police in the North in the dark about the bomb plot, according to authoritative security sources
    "authoritative security sources"?

    I thought that Provos frown upon news reporting that relies on such things.

    Certainly when the Sindo does it, it is criticised from on high.

    I trust that nobody who slags off the Sindo for such practices will rely on similar unnamed "security" sources" so as to criticise MI5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero
    Quote Originally Posted by news report
    it kept police in the North in the dark about the bomb plot, according to authoritative security sources
    "authoritative security sources"?

    I thought that Provos frown upon news reporting that relies on such things.

    Certainly when the Sindo does it, it is criticised from on high.

    I trust that nobody who slags off the Sindo for such practices will rely on similar unnamed "security" sources" so as to criticise MI5.
    Are you trying to make a pont here? or just wasting webspace


    Anyway, back to the topic:

    This was reported on most English and Irish news today. If true, the "Dirty War" sounds dirtier and dirtier. Although political manouevering, playing games with peoples lives is nothing new really.

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    Actually this is fairly old news . It emerged from disclosures of MI5 agent Dave Ruperts e-mails to MI5 at the McKevitt trial that Rupert had personally selected Omagh as a target in the first place , conducted scouting missions personally and videotaped the site were the bomb should be placed . The day after the bomb MI5 spirited him out of Ireland . Its only the tip of the iceberg .

    The RUC themselves knew Omagh was to be attacked because they had received repeated warnings it would be attacked precisely on the 15 august 2 weeks beforehand . It later emerged the person whod made these repeated warnings directlt to the RUC in Omagh in an apparent bid to thwart the attack was a serving member of RUC Special branch . Why he was doing this anonymously and not through his superiors and more official channels has yet to be explained . However he repeatedly warned the RUC in Omaggh thered be a major attack on the 15th .

    This was revealed in the Oloan report a number of years ago . As well as that another informant using the psuedonym Kevin Fulton had warned his handlers only days before the attack a carbombing was imminent .

    And to top it all off the garda were supplying the cars used in the bombings through their agent , identified in the report and by Garda detective John White . White claims they knew there was an attack planned for that weekend however his superior informed him " we'll let this one through" He claims his superior worked closely with MI5 on a daily basis and was even trained by them . Once White began to spill the beans hsi superior officer sudenly left Ireland without explanation and hasnt returned , whereabouts currently not in the public domain . As did . Despite being wanted for questioning over the bombing was stopped by the authorities in England in possession of a massive sum of cash stuffed in his suitcase . Despite police and intelligence services being informed of this he was released without questioning despite an arrest warrant and has also since disappeared without trace .

    Also mysteriously disappeared without trace is the log book from Omagh RUC station which records all security threats in the area , all intelligence warnings received as well as the location of the bomb warning on the day . How this book disappered from the secure custody of Omag RUC station is a bit of a mystery .

    Another mystery is why almost all RUC officers were sent out of town for the day instead of manning checkpoints saying theyd been warned of an attack that day . And why in that garrison town every last British soldier was confined to base on the day apparently on the basis of intelligence reports .

    What a tangled little web but it has served its purpose well .

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    You are a veritable mine of information Merle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero
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    it kept police in the North in the dark about the bomb plot, according to authoritative security sources
    "authoritative security sources"?

    It is interesting that one branch of the 'security services' appear to be spinning against another branch at this stage...could get very messy if MI5 decide to reply in kind.The big story though is that Omagh couldn't have happened without security services involvement..

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    The big story though is that Omagh couldn't have happened without security services involvement
    apparently both sides of the border were MI5 were very active . Rupert in Donegal was their agent and was the instigator of the plot itself as his e-mails showed in court .

    A question mark also hangs over Garda Whites superior who has fled the jurisdiction . He was trained by MI5 and liased with them on a daily basis . He took the decision " well let this one through" as regards the bomb car . Its a pertinent question therefore to ask whether this senior branchman was an MI5 agent , or at least what his current whereabouts and employment are . Unless hes on the dole id assume hed ask garda hq for a job reference .

    Another issue is the alleged bomb maker ident6ified by Kevin Fulton immediately before the attack . Ronnie Flanagan stated publicly " the man is not being treated as a suspect and is unlikely ever to be treated as one " . Later Flanagan had to resign . This named individual has resided in the southern jurisdiction since the blast and still does . Yet he has never even been questioned by the garda about the bombing .

    All very strange .

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    Erm...Ive just noticed that the mods have removed all references to branch agent Paddy Dixon in my post

    This is despite the man being named openly in the house of commons , in the OLoan report , The Morris tribunal and in countless media articles and news broadcasts .

    Heres just a tiny selection of the many many articles were he is named ..


    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nireland ... 67,00.html

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nireland ... 93,00.html

    http://www.villagemagazine.ie/article.a ... 44&aid=860

    http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/200 ... 805435.asp

    http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=603587

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 97,00.html

    http://cryptome.org/paddy-dixon.htm

    Admin should really try and keep abreast of news current affairs .

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    Ah sure it's no harm to throw in a few "allegedly"s here and there! :wink:

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    I know what you mean but the man himself has fully admitted his role already in a legal affidavit .


    Ill enjoythe superiority of being better informed on breaking news items nontheless

    what a pity they dont have a smug smiley

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