Is the Pope and Iris singing from the same hymn sheet

[toxic avenger]

He said the following, not 'homophobic' (why do the militant 'gay rights' campaigners always assume it's all about them?), merely commenting on the importance of renewal of the species and the importance of traditional structures:

"What is often expressed and signified with the word 'gender' leads to the human auto-emancipation from creation and from the Creator. The human being wants to make himself on his own and to decide always and exclusively by himself about what concerns him.
"But, in so doing, the human being lives against the truth and against the Spirit creator. Rain forests deserve, yes, our protection but the human being - as a creature which contains a message that is not in contradiction with his freedom but is the condition of his freedom - does not deserve it less."

[Factorem]

Exactly.

He didn't even mention the word "homosexual".

These anti-Catholic bigots would do anything to undermine the greatest theologian in the world and leader of one billion Catholics from every corner of the earth.

The man is a walking miracle and everything he says comes after deep reflection and discussion amongst his Cardinals. The Church loves all people by virtue of their humanity: sinners of all kinds. Everyone is inherently good and capable of living in the likeness of God. This includes those who are tempted by homosexual acts and the very worst murderers who find themselves damned on death row for the most heinous of crimes.

I find it cringe-worthy to look at all the militant homosex people attempt to pick holes in anything he says and stir up hysteria about things the man didn't even say! It's pathetic.

[toxic avenger]

This in Damien Thompson's Telegraph blog:

Any mention of homosexuality in Allen's report? Nope. Perhaps that was because Benedict himself didn't refer to it. On the other hand, he does say that humanity needs saving from "outmoded metaphysics" that blur the distinction between men and women. The destruction of traditional heterosexual relations is part of the wider destruction of God's creation.
The liberals will hate that juxtaposition. In the view of the secular world, and more than a few Tabletistas, "saving the planet" has become an alternative or successor project to the defence of the family. Pope Benedict has had the nerve to argue, in effect, that marriage is yet another aspect of the planet that needs saving.
So it boils down to this, really. Pope Catholic, shock horror. Admittedly, the shock and the horror are real. But that's Catholicism for you: a sign of contradiction.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/damian_thompson/blog/2008/12/23/pope_revealed_to_be_catholic_shock_horror

[Christine Murray]

The focus was indeed on gender theory; but the media made no mention
of his December the Eight speech/communique- thats a doozy, cos it critiques
recent convert Tony Blair's policy (whilst PM) of inveigling the hugest and most wealthy
genetic/ biotech companies to the UK.

it was Brown whom won the human fertilisation and embryo bill, however..,

[Factorem]

Should we shut down all the "Gender Studies" departments that infest Irish universities now that their outdated philosophies have been proven to be false?

Waste of bloody money if you ask me.

[west'sawake]

Yaaaawn... All the kneejerk trendy liberals (plus one troll posing as an Orange bigot), always ready to pounce, at it again, I see... Perhaps read the speech, this time?

This, from Andrew Brown, in the Guardian (of all places):


Andrew Brown on the pope's view of homosexuality | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

At last, someone who bothered to find out exaclty what the Pope said.

As for John XXIII opening Vatican II he said that he wanted 'to assert once again the Magisterium (Teaching authority of the Church), which is unfailing and perdures until the end of time, in order that this Magisterium, taking in account the errors, the requirements, and the opportunities of our time, might be presented in exceptional form to all men throughout the world'' At the same time JOhn XXIII disagreed 'with those prophets of gloom who are always forecasting disaster''. For John XXIII, the substance of the Catholic faith was one thing, but the way it was presented was another and he urged the medicine of mercy rather than that of severity, 'demonstrating the validity of church teaching rather than by condemnations''. If one reads again what Benedict XVI said he was affirming God's plan not condeming others, John XIII would be proud of him.

[Christine Murray]

Should we shut down all the "Gender Studies" departments that infest Irish universities now that their outdated philosophies have been proven to be false?

Waste of bloody money if you ask me.

They are necessary otherwise Geraldine Kennedy would never have made editor
and Mary Harney would never have got health.

;-)

we must daily count our blessings on the feminist issue-

[toxic avenger]

At last, someone who bothered to find out exaclty what the Pope said.

As for John XXIII opening Vatican II he said that he wanted 'to assert once again the Magisterium (Teaching authority of the Church), which is unfailing and perdures until the end of time, in order that this Magisterium, taking in account the errors, the requirements, and the opportunities of our time, might be presented in exceptional form to all men throughout the world'' At the same time JOhn XXIII disagreed 'with those prophets of gloom who are always forecasting disaster''. For John XXIII, the substance of the Catholic faith was one thing, but the way it was presented was another and he urged the medicine of mercy rather than that of severity, 'demonstrating the validity of church teaching rather than by condemnations''. If one reads again what Benedict XVI said he was affirming God's plan not condeming others, John XIII would be proud of him.

Another of the great tricks employed by certain types of people is to draw some kind of artificial distinction between supposedly liberal, progressive Popes, and backwards, authoritarian ones. Utter horse manure. Thus, Pope John XXIII would, if you believed this nonsense, be one step short of a dope-smoking hippy advocate of 'free love' and so on, while Benedict XVI and John Paul II were virtually on the point of opening concentration camps for everyone who spat on the pavement without Papal approval. This kind of disingenuous bullsh1t is only employed to push an agenda that is quite contradictory to Catholicism, though posing as being simply a happy-clappy and tolerant version, and has never had the slightest connection with reality.

[toxic avenger]

Why is this under Northern Ireland, by the way? I know the navel-gazing you people indulge in is off-the-scale by normal standards, but seriously...

[Belfast-citizen]

Because Iris lives in NI and she seems to have the same views as the Pope !!



Hey Factorem what about the Cloyne report is that the love the Catholic church gives out ?