Terrorists reach decomission deadline and are given another deadline!

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st333ve said:

Unionists shouldnt complain about the IRA as the IRA were created by the unionist run statelet that denied politics, democracy, housing rights, electoral rights, job rights.....

So the Unionists asked The IRA to murder their wives and children. Perhaps The Jews asked to be gassed as well.

When people cant protest, vote, get a job because of who they were, get a proper house because of who they are, are exculded from the state where they live and live under constant threat etc. then expect inevitable violence - not just here but in any country on this planet.

Sounds like THE ABUSE EXCUSE to me. You say people couldn't vote? Well actually it was one man, one vote in both Westminster and Stormount elections. As for local elections, there was a property qualification, but that applied to both Protestants and Catholics and had existed on the mainland until quite a late date. Discrimination against the poor yes, but not specifically against Catholics. As for the other issues, yes there is some truth in what you say - but conditions were far worse in The South for Protestants, that's why The Northern Catholic population grew, whilst the Southern Protestant population shrank. In any case, the discrimination that did exist did not merit the evils unleashed by PIRA etc.

I dont support nor make excuses for what happened in the past, but i am under no doubt about how it happened.

Appreciate it.

You can quote the amount killed during the troubles as if it was some score board on a computer game but the truth is that unionists created the troubles and this is widely acknowledged in and outside of Ireland.

Yes, the deaths of human beings including women and children do concern me and Republicans were responsible for the greatest number killed. As for the views of those outside 'Ireland', well I doubt many have ever cared either way.

[ArtyQueing]

Let us keep this on track and let the derailers go their on way.

The UDA has long been the terrorists of choice for the British who kept them legal until 1992?

They also armed them and shared intelligence with them.

There are quite a number of parallels with the Mau Mau uprising, including the use of "natives" and the final "peace settlement", the Britishnow they have successfully put down the uprising, need to have the occupied territory ran by the Irish which will put less strain on Whitehalls coffers as opposed to the substantial drain recalcitrant Irish would prove to be.

get it into your heads. The purpose of the Unionist is to implement Englands policy in Ireland. No more no less. If they do that they will be rewarded and protected.

[st333ve]

Sounds like THE ABUSE EXCUSE to me. You say people couldn't vote? Well actually it was one man, one vote in both Westminster and Stormount elections.

Wow the British should stop using northern Ireland to teach about Gerrymandering then, afterall it never happened according to the robotic denial machine called unionism.
Gerrymandering in Northern Ireland
Voting was distributed on economic status not one man one vote, do you think the civil rights movement was asking for one man one vote when if they already had it?
How do you explain the fact that Derry had an overwhelming majority of nationalists yet unionists held the vast majority of seats, are you really so blind?

Do you people just hear something negative about unionism and automatically deny it without caring about facts or truth?


NationMaster - Encyclopedia: Gerrymander

A particularly famous case occurred in Northern Ireland, where the Ulster Unionist Party government created electoral boundaries for the local council in Derry which, coupled with restrictions on voting rights based on economic status, ensured the election of a unionist council in a city where nationalists were in the overwhelming majority. This policy, coupled with a policy that gave council houses to unionists at the expense of nationalists all over the Six Counties (in one famous case, giving a council house to an unmarried protestant woman rather than a large catholic family), produced the Civil Rights Movement. The refusal of the government to consider equal rights in local government, and an end to gerrymandered discrimination, led indirectly to The Troubles.

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I didn't get the job I wanted, therefore I'll murder the children next door. Politics for Republicans.

[Mr Crowley]

I didn't get the job I wanted, therefore I'll murder the children next door. Politics for Republicans.

And what does this nonsense have to do with Loyalist decommisioning, the terms Loyalist and job are usually, mutually exclusive after all.

[ArtyQueing]

I didn't get the job I wanted, therefore I'll murder the children next door. Politics for Republicans.

We do not get the privilege we want - thereore we will murder the children next door - politics for Unionists

[TimBuckII]

Pretty typical, even Jeffrey Donaldson's reaction to an
2. The British establishment was up to it's oxters in colluding with them. If they were to go in gung ho and start arresting and shooting like they were Brazillians trying to catch a tube, the loyalists wouldn't be long spilling the beans on how involved the British government was in terrorism.

This would hardly be a big point. The British are unaccountable for anything they want to be unaccountable for. The Brits are the rule makers and standard setters.

[st333ve]

This would hardly be a big point. The British are unaccountable for anything they want to be unaccountable for. The Brits are the rule makers and standard setters.

Exactly why they are up there near Turkey on their poor human rights record.

If the British do something wrong they 'investigate' themselves with British courts along with their own police and workforce.
This way they can pretend to have an investigation and control the outcome.

The EU doesnt take kindly to this , Governmental errors and crimes should be investigates by independent bodies, not by themselves.