How the Provos 'sold out'

[Theobald]

In reference to the thread title:

Was/is there another way to achieve a United Ireland?

[slap_harry]

Normalisation of British Rule in Ireland is the new strategy now by the British Establishment.

Stop worrying about the British Establishments game and start concentrating on your own. There can never be a UI if normalisation doesn't occur. Unionists are more opposed to a UI than ever before because it would be seen as a victory to the PIRA. A UI has to come about in such a way that this viewpoint is not valid. I can guarantee that the 'socialist republic' that they vainly died for will never happen.

[Mr Crowley]

You don't need to ask. A surname is usually good enough to take a rough guess.

Murphy, McCausland, McIlroy, McCaughey, Gallagher, Barr
What do these names have in common?
Barr, McKee, McMillen, Sands, Adams, Williams, English, Gallagher
How about these ones?

[Theobald]

We've already seen that Unionists are 'Irish' when they want to be. Many Unionist businessmen are involved in Irish governmental trade missions, and during the time of the BSE beef scare, Ian Paisley was seen proclaiming loudly that NI beef was not British but Irish beef.

Garden centre Unionists are the easiest to turn. If you can get enough of them, you have your majority. We have to see how the British government handles this recession. Opportunities could be there if they screw it up.

O I forgot about that, I'm adding this to my signature list of Unionist illogic.

[slap_harry]

Murphy, McCausland, McIlroy, McCaughey, Gallagher, Barr
What do these names have in common?
Barr, McKee, McMillen, Sands, Adams, Williams, English, Gallagher
How about these ones?

I stress the word rough. Like cheap toilet paper.

[Mr Crowley]

I stress the word rough. Like cheap toilet paper.

It would have gone very rough for he or she who guessed wrong with Lenny Murphy or Billy McCaughey.

[Aindriu]

Your ignorance must be bliss.

To ask why innocent Protestants were killed by the IRA is to assume that no Catholics were killed when in fact, more Catholics were killed as a result of IRA actions. The vast majority of Protestants killed would have been members of one of the many elements of the Brit war machine.

And I do not accept that any of the other things that you suggest happened is actually true. Yes I'm sure some isolated incidents happened but to suggest that those things were IRA methods is complete ballsology.

Your ignorance you mean. Every time loyalists killed a catholic the IRA responded by killing prods - any prods! Even if a protestant showed nationalist tendencies (and there were/are many) it was virtually impossible for them to go into hardline nationalist areas without risk.

Of course intimidation out of homes happened! Of course intimidation of those in mixed marriages happened! Did you ever live in the north during the Troubles? I bloody well did.

[Theobald]

Your ignorance you mean. Every time loyalists killed a catholic the IRA responded by killing prods - any prods! Even if a protestant showed nationalist tendencies (and there were/are many) it was virtually impossible for them to go into hardline nationalist areas without risk.

Of course intimidation out of homes happened! Of course intimidation of those in mixed marriages happened! Did you ever live in the north during the Troubles? I bloody well did.

You come across quite odd, sure these things happened, but in comparison to loyalists, their intimidation excelled and expediated much more agressively than republicans.

I wont bandstand what militant republicanism did, but i will draw the line when it comes across that they were somehow more sectarian than loyalism.

That is black propaganda.

[Garibaldy]

So they were just as sectarian as loyalists, or slightly less so, so that's ok then? Actually no, it's not, as someone with your username should be well aware. The sectarian killings carried out by the provisionals happened frequently enough over a long enough period of time to tar the whole organisation. Apart from the killings, there is also the reality of their defining themselves as the defenders and representatives of catholics. Pure sectarian politics, of which the SDLP, UUP, DUP and most of the rest are also guilty.

[Aindriu]

You come across quite odd, sure these things happened, but in comparison to loyalists, their intimidation excelled and expediated much more agressively than republicans.

I wont bandstand what militant republicanism did, but i will draw the line when it comes across that they were somehow more sectarian than loyalism.

That is black propaganda.

Read my previous posts. I never said they were more sectarian than loyalists or less, I just said they were sectarian. My original question was asking why these things happened if nationalism/republicanism wasn't supposed to be sectarian. Theobald Wolfe Tone (a Protestant as you well know) was probably spinning in his grave over most of what happened 'in Ireland's name' during the Troubles.