Wolfe Tone's men 'feared just like the Nazi's were'

[st333ve]

For 200 years the Martello Tower at Magilligan Point has kept a lonely vigil over the Lough Foyle estuary.

The history of the towers in Ireland is connected to the United Irishmen's Rebellion.

In 1786 Wolfe Tone just failed to land with a large French fleet in Bantry Bay, County Cork.

They were afraid of a French invasion in much the same way as Britain was in fear of a Nazi invasion in 1940. Martello towers were constructed all around Ireland and Britain to repulse this feared attack," he said.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire ... 572438.stm

I dont think the people of this Island feared Wolfe Tones men, the British Empire was the 'feared Nazi type' at the time.

[code twinkle]

For 200 years the Martello Tower at Magilligan Point has kept a lonely vigil over the Lough Foyle estuary.

The history of the towers in Ireland is connected to the United Irishmen's Rebellion.

In 1786 Wolfe Tone just failed to land with a large French fleet in Bantry Bay, County Cork.

They were afraid of a French invasion in much the same way as Britain was in fear of a Nazi invasion in 1940. Martello towers were constructed all around Ireland and Britain to repulse this feared attack," he said.

More..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire ... 572438.stm

I dont think the people of this Island feared Wolfe Tones men, the British Empire was the 'feared Nazi type' at the time.

St333ve...Are you ok today? This post is a little off-colour compared with your usual high standard!

The guy in the article says "The links between the United Irishmen and Napoleon's France led to panic among the British,"

"They were afraid of a French invasion in much the same way as Britain was in fear of a Nazi invasion in 1940."

He didnt say anything about this people of this island - he was referring to how the British empire viewed the French at the time, and in fairness Napolean was about the biggest invasion threat the Brits faced until the Germans in 1940...

[QuizMaster]

Nobody was "feared like the nazis" 200 years ago.
That displays a huge lack of understanding of history.

[realistic1]

Real Tabloid title, it must come from a anti-Republican? This is looking for a reaction

[Respvblica]

I think the title of this thread may give the wrong impression.

200 years ago Beethoven planned to write a symphony in honour of Napoleon, who was on the point of invading Germany.
You might wonder why such a patriotic german such as Beethoven would do such a thing, but things were different then. Before the revolution the vast majority of people of europe still lived in servitude to a monarchical system that had changed very little since the middle ages. Beethoven thought that the march of Napoleon would mean the revolution would spread to Germany and the German people would decide their own destiny.(he was later disillusioned as Napoleon became an imperialist).
Wolfe Tone thought as Beethoven and thats what the British establishment feared so much. It wasnt so much an imperialist war(although it soon became one when Napoleon showed his true colours), but the establishment feared that revolution in Ireland would destabalise the whole system in the UK.
If only it did and it was a terrible pity that those ships could not land in Bantry.

Wolfe Tone and the united Irishmen, apart from being great heros for Ireland, should also be seen in the context of a general european movement to overthrow the old order which occurred at that time. Their dream was for europe to become a patchwork of democratic republics instead of a patchwork of kingdoms.

So I think it is wrong to consider the France of 1796 in the same breath as Nazi Germany - indeed if anything the British state at the time was more Nazi like in its opression of the people, especially in Ireland. It must also be remembered that France under Napoleon did betray the ideals of the revolution in becoming an imperialist power. That was one of the great betrayals of history although by 1796 that had not occured. The Martello towers were not to defend liberty but to maintain opression and tyranny from a force of liberators.

[Jozer]

If only it did and it was a terrible pity that those ships could not land in Bantry.

Yes. Then today we would all be free of imperialism, poverty, racialism, class and inherited power groups acting in their own interests, just like France has been since 1800.

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Did Wolfe Tone`s men have panzer divisions?

[Thranduil]

For 200 years the Martello Tower at Magilligan Point has kept a lonely vigil over the Lough Foyle estuary.

The history of the towers in Ireland is connected to the United Irishmen's Rebellion.

In 1786 Wolfe Tone just failed to land with a large French fleet in Bantry Bay, County Cork.

They were afraid of a French invasion in much the same way as Britain was in fear of a Nazi invasion in 1940. Martello towers were constructed all around Ireland and Britain to repulse this feared attack," he said.

More..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire ... 572438.stm

I dont think the people of this Island feared Wolfe Tones men, the British Empire was the 'feared Nazi type' at the time.

Typical of the British to conjure the imagery of a Nazi invasion to describe an event that was an invasion - but in this case one of liberation from the facism, sectarianism and serfdom of that period. They still see everything in that way, ie be blind to their own monumental historical crimes and say 'tut tut' to the 'excesses' of others. In their schools i would imagine that they are stll accentuating the positives of their empire.

Yes it is a great pity Wolfe Tone did not succeed, Britons should mourn his failure too, the changes which he wanted were revolutionary and at the forefront of modern politics - they might have spread from Ireland to Britain and helped the people there too, Wolfe Tone could have succeeded were Cromwell failed (when he rejected one man one vote), the British would have to wait till 1832 before they would get some level of proper democratic representation. The fact that the Catholic Church, the British monarchy and the Loyalists were also opposed in itself speaks praisingly of what Wolfe Tone represented at that time.

The only comparison between Wolfe Tone and Hitler is that they both took their own lives rather than face humiliating execution.

[Respvblica]

If only it did and it was a terrible pity that those ships could not land in Bantry.

Yes. Then today we would all be free of imperialism, poverty, racialism, class and inherited power groups acting in their own interests, just like France has been since 1800.

At least we would have be running our own affairs and might have avoided something like the famine?

But forget about what happened to France subsequenty, what I want to know is what you have against the rights of man, popular sovereignty, the destruction of the old"tyrannical" order and irish self determination? Because thats what those ships were bringing!

[A guy called Dave]

For 200 years the Martello Tower at Magilligan Point has kept a lonely vigil over the Lough Foyle estuary.

The history of the towers in Ireland is connected to the United Irishmen's Rebellion.

In 1786 Wolfe Tone just failed to land with a large French fleet in Bantry Bay, County Cork.

They were afraid of a French invasion in much the same way as Britain was in fear of a Nazi invasion in 1940. Martello towers were constructed all around Ireland and Britain to repulse this feared attack," he said.

More..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire ... 572438.stm

I dont think the people of this Island feared Wolfe Tones men, the British Empire was the 'feared Nazi type' at the time.

Typical of the British to conjure the imagery of a Nazi invasion to describe an event that was an invasion - but in this case one of liberation from the facism, sectarianism and serfdom of that period. They still see everything in that way, ie be blind to their own monumental historical crimes and say 'tut tut' to the 'excesses' of others. .

Yeah sure! And the Haitian revolt happened because Naploeon was such a freedom loving guy! Talk about blinkered.