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    Re: "Decomissioned" semtex used in rocket attack

    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    as far as im aware from a number of public statements in response to calls for a ceasefire the RIRA had a convention a couple of years back and put the issue to their base , and the reply was a unanimous no . Therefore its not going to happen and indeed cannot happen without the grass roots of the armed seperatist base calling for it in the first place . Cetinly wihout a grass roots call for it , which isnt happening and has not materialised . I also do not believe forone second that countrywide grass roots response was the result of British manipulation .
    Civilians, idealists and amatures talking armed strategy; doesn't work Merle, isn't working, won't work.
    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    even if your wholly unarmed the establishment will claim your opposed to peace and hope for amred reaction no matter how many times you say otherwise . We also have the scenario of good RUC , bad RUC to contend with . The best way for the British to mange a conflict is nt to have one to manage in the first place .ie normalisation
    Passive resistance is harder to manage and manipulate than armed resistance, history has proven this and international opinion is more favourable to those who are passive in the face of repression.
    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    really ? all them ones that voted for the GFA that says there most definitely isnt ?
    People voted for what they were sold, how many of them really thought it through do you think?
    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    unwitting british agents then . for someone with absolutely no alternaive to proffer except rhetoric thats a bit rich to talk about isues detrimental to republicanism whilst simultaneously demonising people standing over and exercising their rights
    I'm not demonising individuals, I'm talking about groups who are being manipulated through infiltration and stupidity imo. It's back to the idealists and amatures trying out strategic thinking, doesn't work against professional murderers and oppressors. Just because something is a right, it doesn't make it the right choice in every situation. A different approach is badly needed as the present path of the militants suits the Brits as well as the present path of Sinn Féin.
    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    not having a counter intelligence unit comprising of british agents would be a start . Your also asking me to divulge information i do not posees nor would i divulge if i did . As far as i can see the RIRA made a political point as regards the right to continue resistance and who the enemy was . The immediate political effect on the ground in drry wa favourable and continues to be , politics were polarised and clarified and people took a stand as a result .
    Who knows what depts of the RIRA and CIRA are penetrated and to what extent. I'm not asking you to divulge anything; I'm asking you if you think it's possible to be more succesful in the intelligence battle than the Provos were. You should be astute enough to realise the hopelessness of the militant position in this regard. Why you try and kid yourself and everyone else is beyond me.
    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    like you calling people touts because you dont agree with their position ?
    I've never openly accused any individual of being a tout unless that suspicion was in the public domain. To say that an organisation is likely to be riddled with touts and agents provateur is another matter entirely.
    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    i suggest you retire to east tyrone and dont trouble me any further
    I believe that you initiated this debate, run away from it if you like but don't think for a second that you can tell me what to do.

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    Re: "Decomissioned" semtex used in rocket attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu
    Quote Originally Posted by Stir dear
    Why do you call it "the Troubles"? That's a Brit name for it.
    No it isn't. The majority of people in the south call that period the Troubles.
    Yes, of course, and there are no Brits in the South!!! How about we call the Holocaust, "The Fracas" !!

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