Remember the Hunger-Strikers

[pogon]

remember the many brave protestant paramilitaries who gave their lives for Ulster.

Since when did a loyalist paramilitary give his life for Donelgal, Monaghan or Cavan?
Don't you mean the 'Ulster/ni' the British told you to support, the one where they drew a little line and said 'This is Ulster', when infact it isnt.
Loyalists didnt 'Give' their life, their life was used by the British for their greedy cause and discarded just as easily as a nationalist life.

Well said.

Not really.

I don't see the sense in this obsession withwhat things are called.

When Unionists say 'Ulster' they obviously mean Northern Ireland.

[st333ve]

I dont care what they mean, they should be able to get the basics right .

[Slartibuckfast]

So Pogo has been proven to be full of crap. Well I'm shocked. Is anybody else here shocked?

[pogon]

So Pogo has been proven to be full of crap. Well I'm shocked. Is anybody else here shocked?

Have I?

How and by whom?

Are you capable of any debate beyond that of Prod-baiting?

[st333ve]

Anyone who claims they are 'defending' an Irish province by effectively allowing the aggressors next door to retain the control gained by greed and deception, dont actually need to be proven wrong, they need a psychologist.

[pogon]

Anyone who claims they are 'defending' an Irish province by effectively allowing the aggressors next door to retain the control gained by greed and deception, dont actually need to be proven wrong, they need a psychologist.

The majority of people in N.I. wish to be citizens of the U.K..

If you define a million or so people as being in need of a psychologist, then it is you rather than they who have problems.

[pogon]

The UDR were hated by the nationalist population of the north, and with good reason. As long as unionists refuse to move on, by celebrating the lives of those who killed, harassed and set up for murder their neighbours, neither will the 'other' community in the north.

See how this works?

I propose Pogo now condemns in order to facilitate better community relations, the remembrance by the unionist population in the north of UDR men who died as a result of the Troubles.

I'm not aware that the deaths of UDR men are commemorated in an OTT fetishistic manner by the Unionist community.

I'd say that, in general, they are generally remembered in a quiet, dignified manner.

I don't doubt that some UDR men behaved in a sectarian manner and that some colluded with loyalist paramilitaries.

I don't accept, however, that they used the same level of indiscriminate violence as the I.R.A..

The UDR were responsible for 8 deaths, the IRA 1,707.

[pogon]

They had nothing and still beat the system.

They didn't beat the system.

The system beat them.

SF now accept NI as part of the U.K., the P.S.N.I., and the criminalisation of those using armed force against the British state.

[st333ve]

Anyone who claims they are 'defending' an Irish province by effectively allowing the aggressors next door to retain the control gained by greed and deception, dont actually need to be proven wrong, they need a psychologist.

The majority of people in N.I. wish to be citizens of the U.K..

If you define a million or so people as being in need of a psychologist, then it is you rather than they who have problems.

I dont mind if they want to be part of the UK, it doesnt mean they should have the right to take 1/5 of Ireland with them.
Its the 'defending' nonsence which im claiming is mind boggling.

[pogon]

Wiggle wiggle wiggle.

Why commemorate McElwee?

What's brave about incinerating a small Protestant businesswoman and her shop?

Can anyone help me here please.