Under Article 3.1 of Bunreacht na hÉireann states that Ireland "recongnising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of the majority of the people".
Under this, we recongnise the north in the UK as the will of the people, but what happens if a different union is desired by a majority in the six counties? Will the DUP, UUP or Alliance respect the new union and work peacefully for their aims in it?
Any posts would be helpful.
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In specific regard to your quoting of Bunreacht na nÉireann, surely your question should be whether or not Ireland (The Republic of) would recognise such another union. The DUP etc are political parties within another jurisdiction, they are not influenced by the Irish Constitution either morally or legally.
The only solution in that situation would be a Federal Republic, with an assembly in each province. However, most likely the political and civil service powers based inside the pale would reject this idea out of hand. They could not bear the loss of political and fiscal power, such a move would entail.Originally Posted by L.O. Dublin S.C.
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But would be if a UI were to come into force. I know its spectulation but definatly something to think about.
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"We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
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See link. http://www.politics.ie/oireachtas/31...t-ireland.htmlThe only solution in that situation would be a Federal Republic, with an assembly in each province. However, most likely the political and civil service powers based inside the pale would reject this idea out of hand. They could not bear the loss of political and fiscal power, such a move would entail.
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"We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: from -4.38 to -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: from -4.05 to -3.74
[quote=L.O. Dublin S.C.][quote=moghroth][quote="L.O. Dublin S.C.":2h4m7ev4]Under Article 3.1 of Bunreacht na hÉireann states that Ireland "recongnising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of the majority of the people".
Under this, we recongnise the north in the UK as the will of the people, but what happens if a different union is desired by a majority in the six counties? Will the DUP, UUP or Alliance respect the new union and work peacefully for their aims in it?
Any posts would be helpful.[/quote]
The only solution in that situation would be a Federal Republic, with an assembly in each province. However, most likely the political and civil service powers based inside the pale would reject this idea out of hand. They could not bear the loss of political and fiscal power, such a move would entail.[/quote]
See link. [url="http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?f=165&t=37486"]viewtopic.php?f=165&t=37486[/url][/quote:2h4m7ev4]
No necessarily the same thread. Would the Unionists respect a federal union if the majority of those in NI voted for it?
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[quote=moghroth][quote=L.O. Dublin S.C.][quote=moghroth]No necessarily the same thread. Would the Unionists respect a federal union if the majority of those in NI voted for it?[/quote:287pq3g4]
Under this, we recongnise the north in the UK as the will of the people, but what happens if a different union is desired by a majority in the six counties? Will the DUP, UUP or Alliance respect the new union and work peacefully for their aims in it?
Any posts would be helpful.[/quote]
The only solution in that situation would be a Federal Republic, with an assembly in each province. However, most likely the political and civil service powers based inside the pale would reject this idea out of hand. They could not bear the loss of political and fiscal power, such a move would entail.[/quote]
See link. [url="http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?f=165&t=37486
If there is going to be a united ireland then it would have to be a federal system
You win the award for this month's 'Why is there no United Ireland?' question.
Would look good on a UCD Politics exam paper.
In the meantime, the people of Fermangh are stuck with a bill they could do without
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire ... 489498.stm
"The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).
can you go into a bit more depth please.I dont really understand your post and i am being sincere
Look through this section of P.ie. Half of it is the regurgitation of the same question over and over again in different guises. It really isn't something that is on the agenda in NI at the moment. While it is absolutely a legitimate topic to discuss - it has been done to death here - every time with a slightly different angle. I really don't understand it. There is plenty of other daily politics going around in the North that is worth discussing. In the general political fabric the constitutional issue has very little resonance these days. And long may we keep it that way and come back to issues of health, education and the economy.
"The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).
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