Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

[rockyracoon]

Has this thread been started again. What, do we get the same propoganda issue thrown up on a 3 mos rolling basis? Hopefully, our young people are not so economically disadvantage and without options in this day and age as to have to resort to joining foreign armies. I know because of the size of our own army we cannot satisfy all candidates. I know a fella from Ballieborough who was so smitten with the army life that he joined the French foreign legion because he couldn't get into the Irish army and wouldn't contenance joining the UK army.

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[lostexpectation]

These men want to be professional soldiers. They love the whole idea of being a soldier and the excitement that comes with it. Joining the British Forces is not a political issue for most of them. In having said that it is in my view disrespectful to all those Irish people who have had to endure the oppression and humiliation the British presence in our country has caused. As far as the present situation in the north is concerned, the fact that almost everybody is saying that the conflict is over is taken by those recruits as an indication that there are no issues relating to their Irishness to be considered. Most of them are probably too young to remember the troubles and everything that went with it.

soldiers do join for political reasons they love these wars, seeking adventure at other peoples misfortune , they can't absolve themselves of political responsibility for their own actions.

[Kalif]

These men want to be professional soldiers. They love the whole idea of being a soldier and the excitement that comes with it. Joining the British Forces is not a political issue for most of them. In having said that it is in my view disrespectful to all those Irish people who have had to endure the oppression and humiliation the British presence in our country has caused. As far as the present situation in the north is concerned, the fact that almost everybody is saying that the conflict is over is taken by those recruits as an indication that there are no issues relating to their Irishness to be considered. Most of them are probably too young to remember the troubles and everything that went with it.

soldiers do join for political reasons they love these wars, seeking adventure at other peoples misfortune , they can't absolve themselves of political responsibility for their own actions.

Your an idiot.

http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co.uk ... 3661196.jp

Building a new infrastructure for the Afghan people

SOLDIERS from Scarborough and the North of England involved in rebuilding Afghanistan's infrastructure have been praised by an officer from the Royal Engineers.
Troops from the engineering regiment are currently attached to 2nd battalion The Yorkshire Regiment (Green Howards) as part of its Operational Mentoring Liaison Teams (OMLT) tour of duty.

Lt Jeff Fowler said troops from the North were very hard working and gave rebuilding work in Gereshk, in the Helmand province as a prime example. After they left the town the bazaar had expanded threefold which had the effect of improving the area's economy.

The rebuilding work also uses local tradesmen which provided an Afghan solution to the task in hand. Lt Fowler said: "I think it's important because they have a sense of pride, they've done it themselves, and by us employing them to do it they have money for themselves."

The building work also includes irrigation projects and the construction of schools in places such as Gereshk and Sangin. He said: "It takes time and local security has to be stabilised in the area so the patrols can go out. "Irrigation projects are big out there and to try to build a school out there is a big thing because there hasn't been any for a long time."


http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2001/12 ... cohen.aspx

Rebuilding Afghanistan will involve many tasks: repairing the agricultural infrastructure, refugee resettlement, constructing an entirely new educational system and repairing the damaged physical infrastructure. It also means an extraordinary international effort to feed a long-malnourished population and encouraging as many of the overseas Afghans as possible to return to their homeland. A revived Afghanistan will also need a civilian bureaucracy and a new political order, a process that took a giant step forward at Bonn. This political order will have to reflect particular Afghan conditions and sensibilities, but it must be "modern" in the sense that it represents Afghan interests to the rest of the world while undertaking the tasks outlined above.

However, as the Bonn Agreement noted, an urgent priority of the new Afghan government will be to establish a comprehensive security apparatus.

[CelticAtheist]

Its sickening but so a lot of Irish join the US army which is just as bad.

I'd rather see an Irishman in a US Army Uniform than a British one!

Then you're a stinking hypocrite.

I think not CelticAthiest!

Considering that if the Union Army in the US Civil War didn't recruit us in mass numbers......... the US would still have slavery.

A lot of these Irishmen then when on and used their skills for the 1867 Fenian Rising.

How is what I said hyprocritical? How would an Irishman in the US Army (Who gave them something in return, considering alot of the greatest soldiers ever in the US Military were Irish-born/ Irish Descent) be the same as an Irishman serving in the army of the nation that oppressed them?

When did the US Army invade Ireland and make her a colony or some off-shore commonwealth protectorate like Puerto Rico?

Last I checked was never!

The US is an Imperial power.
They're effectively doing the same thing that the Brits did, within a modern context.

And the Union states' population was massively larger than the Confederacy, and only 9% of the Union army was made up of Irishmen.
Stop exaggerating our importance.

[Macca]

I CHALLENGE KHALIF AND CO TO UNEQUIVICALLY STATE THEIR LOYALTY TO THE IRISH REPUBLIC AND THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE IRISH DEFENCE FORCES

Please challenge Bogwarrior to state his loyalty to the state and the DF- the true Oglaigh na hEireann that is

[Slacker]

Fact is, people who wish to be soldiers, wish to be soldiers.

Some think of it as the patriotic thing to do.

Others see it as a job. A vocation. A career.

They cannot see themselves doing anything else.

A freind of mine went to the British Army.

He was born and raised here, but his father was English.

All he ever wanted to do for himself was be a soldier.

He couldn't get into the Irish Army, so he left and went to the British Army.

He ,and I,couldn't give a sh*t about the politics of it all.

Back in the heady days of the Good Friday Agreement debate, I saw the pro and anti agreement people as grown ups and children respectively. The grown-ups got on with the jobs at hand, while the kids still got on with their temper tantrums.

IF they wish to join the BA, it is their choice to continue the grand tradition of the Wild Geese.

[merle haggard]

I actually hate this type of specimen more than your average English squaddie. They should be shunned, isolated, named and shamed, stripped of citizenship, and maybe more.

God bless freedom, democracy and the right to chose what you want to do with your life.

and accept the consequences , one of which is deep unpopularity amongst many people in this country north and south for reasons so evident they dont need pointing out . Very few national embassies have ever been burned to the ground in western europan countries and an army whuch can motivate an historically meek population like the Irish to do so probably isnt the best career choice for an Irishman to make and receive peer approval afterwards .

[Zyklon B]

no doubt the west brits are sending their sons and daughters to afghanistan and iraq to die gloriously for the mother country
ya, right
rule britannia :P

halliburton will be forever greatful for their shareprices....i mean sacrifices.

Id presume you are equally consider the 160,000 or so Southern Irishmen who fought against Nazism? Though of course your sort favoured the Nazi's to the British.

These men and women are the reason you have freedom of speech on this site today.

Actually, it isn't really. We owe the USSR for our freedom against the Nazis and perhaps the US for our freedom from the USSR.

[size=7]Kalif, Louis Bernard, Longfordian[/size]
Are you squaddies or former squaddies? Are you just keyboard warriors fantasising about playing soldiers or wish you were the real thing?
Are you Irish or just English trolls?

[Zyklon B]

Fact is, people who wish to be soldiers, wish to be soldiers.

Some think of it as the patriotic thing to do.

Others see it as a job. A vocation. A career.

They cannot see themselves doing anything else.

A freind of mine went to the British Army.

He was born and raised here, but his father was English.

All he ever wanted to do for himself was be a soldier.

He couldn't get into the Irish Army, so he left and went to the British Army.

He ,and I,couldn't give a sh*t about the politics of it all.

Back in the heady days of the Good Friday Agreement debate, I saw the pro and anti agreement people as grown ups and children respectively. The grown-ups got on with the jobs at hand, while the kids still got on with their temper tantrums.

IF they wish to join the BA, it is their choice to continue the grand tradition of the Wild Geese.

Eh, no.

The Wild Geese were Irish patriots that fought with Patrick Sarsfield and others against King Billy, fleeing to France, Spain and Austria to continue the fight with Britain. Not join Britain.