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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

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    Its sickening but so a lot of Irish join the US army which is just as bad.
    I'd rather see an Irishman in a US Army Uniform than a British one!
    Then you're a stinking hypocrite.
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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by joel
    Quote Originally Posted by Thranduil
    There will always be young men who seek adventure, who have aggressive tendencies and aspire to test themselves in situations of danger.

    Of course it could be said that Ireland offers peace keeping opportunities for such people now but not warmaking, killing opportunities for aggressive violent people, for the most part we are a 'stay out of it all' nation.

    Maybe we shouldn't be?

    The world is being split into factions, China, India, Russia, US etc. Resources are dwindling. Securing oil is important, perhaps one day we will see actions that are aimed at grabbing oil or whatever in a different light, especially as food, oil prices etc show no sign of slowing down.

    So you want to attack other countries - just like the Nazis and the British?
    These are new times we are living in. Oil will increase in price as will food, China and India will become more assertive. Things are running out. I am not talking about stealing for luxury here.

    Having a nice reputation as a neutral country is all well and fine but you can't eat neutrality or use it to power your car.

    Having been against the wars in the Middle East i can now see why they make sense, the oil producing nations have to be owned or they will hold the rest of us by the short and curlies. Their product is simply too important to be left up to their leaders (to decide whether it stays in the ground or not or to whom it should be sold). I think the West should look into gaining control of OPEC as well.

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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Thranduil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thranduil
    There will always be young men who seek adventure, who have aggressive tendencies and aspire to test themselves in situations of danger.

    Of course it could be said that Ireland offers peace keeping opportunities for such people now but not warmaking, killing opportunities for aggressive violent people, for the most part we are a 'stay out of it all' nation.

    Maybe we shouldn't be?

    The world is being split into factions, China, India, Russia, US etc. Resources are dwindling. Securing oil is important, perhaps one day we will see actions that are aimed at grabbing oil or whatever in a different light, especially as food, oil prices etc show no sign of slowing down.

    So you want to attack other countries - just like the Nazis and the British?
    These are new times we are living in. Oil will increase in price as will food, China and India will become more assertive. Things are running out. I am not talking about stealing for luxury here.

    Having a nice reputation as a neutral country is all well and fine but you can't eat neutrality or use it to power your car.

    Having been against the wars in the Middle East i can now see why they make sense, the oil producing nations have to be owned or they will hold the rest of us by the short and curlies. Their product is simply too important to be left up to their leaders (to decide whether it stays in the ground or not or to whom it should be sold). I think the West should look into gaining control of OPEC as well.

    You can dream - it isn't going to happen. It'd be Iraq times 10

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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by CelticAtheist
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogwarrior
    I actually hate this type of specimen more than your average English squaddie. They should be shunned, isolated, named and shamed, stripped of citizenship, and maybe more.
    Why?
    'cause they don't all join the local units of the RIRA instead?

    The British Empire was built in part on the backs of Irish soldiers, who represented a large chunk of the British armed forces in the 19th century...
    And they weren't forced, far from it.

    While their choice isn't exactly ethical (British army are terrorists as pointed out), you can't say "strip the soldiers of their citizenship"...
    Maybe a third of the British Army at the Battle of Waterloo was Irish in line with Ireland's share of the UK's population then,and maybe a higher percentage of the cavalry.

    The Duke of Wellington,from Dublin, and Commander of the allies,was reviewing the troops before the battle and, maybe when he saw the Irish,he remarked humorously, "They may not frighten the enemy,but by God they frighten me!"

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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Thranduil
    Quote Originally Posted by joel
    Quote Originally Posted by Thranduil
    There will always be young men who seek adventure, who have aggressive tendencies and aspire to test themselves in situations of danger.

    Of course it could be said that Ireland offers peace keeping opportunities for such people now but not warmaking, killing opportunities for aggressive violent people, for the most part we are a 'stay out of it all' nation.

    Maybe we shouldn't be?

    The world is being split into factions, China, India, Russia, US etc. Resources are dwindling. Securing oil is important, perhaps one day we will see actions that are aimed at grabbing oil or whatever in a different light, especially as food, oil prices etc show no sign of slowing down.

    So you want to attack other countries - just like the Nazis and the British?
    These are new times we are living in. Oil will increase in price as will food, China and India will become more assertive. Things are running out. I am not talking about stealing for luxury here.

    Having a nice reputation as a neutral country is all well and fine but you can't eat neutrality or use it to power your car.

    Having been against the wars in the Middle East i can now see why they make sense, the oil producing nations have to be owned or they will hold the rest of us by the short and curlies. Their product is simply too important to be left up to their leaders (to decide whether it stays in the ground or not or to whom it should be sold). I think the West should look into gaining control of OPEC as well.

    we are an oil rich nation , if we took back our own from the foreigners we wouldnt need to worry

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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt
    Quote Originally Posted by CelticAtheist
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogwarrior
    I actually hate this type of specimen more than your average English squaddie. They should be shunned, isolated, named and shamed, stripped of citizenship, and maybe more.
    Why?
    'cause they don't all join the local units of the RIRA instead?

    The British Empire was built in part on the backs of Irish soldiers, who represented a large chunk of the British armed forces in the 19th century...
    And they weren't forced, far from it.

    While their choice isn't exactly ethical (British army are terrorists as pointed out), you can't say "strip the soldiers of their citizenship"...
    Maybe a third of the British Army at the Battle of Waterloo was Irish in line with Ireland's share of the UK's population then,and maybe a higher percentage of the cavalry.

    The Duke of Wellington,from Dublin, and Commander of the allies,was reviewing the troops before the battle and, maybe when he saw the Irish,he remarked humorously, "They may not frighten the enemy,but by God they frighten me!"

    Sure and weren't they the great men - you'd think they'd allow them to practise their religopn, own land and vote. They were only there because they had nothing else.

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    The greatest indictment against Irish in the British army occurred around the mid 1840's. Imagine - thousands of Irishmen in the uniform of the forces who were cheering on the horrible death by starvation of over a million of their own most vulnerable people.

    we are an oil rich nation , if we took back our own from the foreigners we wouldnt need to worry
    What's that, cooking oil? Please explain.

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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by bagel
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagel
    no doubt the west brits are sending their sons and daughters to afghanistan and iraq to die gloriously for the mother country
    ya, right
    rule britannia :P
    just whats needed an FCA man walter mitty type to join in. what glorious duty have you carried out recently besides drilling around mullingar bks on a weekday night. i would think your completely unqualified to talk about a real army so go back to doin g guards in kilbride or the glen of imaal or playing with your world war 2 vintage 25 pounders


    in your ignorance you described me as an fca man;
    i am not an fca man;
    you pretend to have in-depth knowledge of irish military affairs yet you don't know that the fca no longer exists
    similarly, you know nothing at all about me;
    i, on the other hand, know a few things about you:
    almost all of your posts are either offensive or insulting;
    you bluff knowledge of current military matters, eg the gun you refer to is out of service;
    contrary to what your name suggests, you are anything but a saint;
    you come across as a bitter person;
    now, what does all of that say about you? :P

    not all saints were happy shiny people fca man, some were bitter from reading rubbish written by people like you.
    as for pretending to have knowledge of currrent irish military affairs i cant say that i have ever said anything of the sort.
    however the reason i responded to your post is that i think the term 'west brit' is the cheapest slur thrown by brave pub republicans all around this country.

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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    however its also usually more accurate than a guided missile

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    Re: Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalif






    Of course it ethical, they defend your right to live in a liberal democracy and its economic dependence on oil.
    if that were true theyd be down in rossport shooting the guards

    the military force theyve joined bombed dublin on numerous occasions causing horrific casualties and may well do it again . It imported major weapons shipments for terrorist organisations in this country and used them as proxies against the civilian population north and south . Anyone joining this outfit may well be recruited and used in a terrorist capacity against the Irish people and on that basis should not only be shunned but also named and shamed as a mercenary and a potential subversive danger to public safety .



    There is no firm evidence for any of your claims.


    But there is evidence the Irish govt in the early days aided and trained the PIRA.

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