Irish Recruitment to British Army doubles

[Aindriu]

Mary Malone’s 28-year-old son, Lance Corporal Ian Malone, was shot dead by a sniper near the southern Iraqi town of Basra on April 6, 2003.

Good.

Callous c*nt! No thoughts for the poor mother I see! Ar$ewipe!

[Fir Bolg]

[quote=louis bernard][quote="Fir Bolg":1ap40ri3]

Actually the country with the most importance in the fight against the Nazi's was the US. No Perhaps about it. The USSR paid a huge blood debt to fight the Nazi's, but had the US not been in the war then it is very unlikely that the USSR would have been able to turn back the Nazis from the gates of Moscow & Stalingrad.

Quite wide of the mark. You need to read up on WW2 history.
Suggested reading: Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-45 by Evan Mawdsley
Armageddon: The Battle for Germany, 1944-1945 by Max Hastings
The RUSSO-GERMAN War, 1941-45. by Albert. Seaton
Both Berlin and Stalingrad by Anthony Beevor
These would give you a good start and insight into who really won the war.

The really significant part played by the US was the introduction of the lend lease program which helped get the Red army motorised.[/quote:1ap40ri3]

Try and get a copy of Basil Liddell Hart’s “History of the Second World War” it’s as about as close to the definitive work as you will get.[/quote:1ap40ri3]

I'm aware of Liddell Hart's contribution. Have even read som of it. It was his ideas that influenced Guderian and his theories on tank warfare.

[Conor the Bold]

No, I think most historians agree that without the US and Allies the USSR would've eventually wiped out the Nazis.

That intangible ''most'. Some historians are of that opinion are indeed. But then they don't realise the huge importance of the Aid from the US & UK to the USSR.

The Germans invested by far most of their resources in the East, more than half of their men.

And? where else were they going to invest them? One country was going to attack the other, Germany couldn't invade Britian. Indeed, just to think that the just because the eastern Front was the biggest for the Germans is a rather simplisitic analysis of who contributed the most.

It's true that the US supplied the USSR with raw materials and aid,

Yes its very true. And without such aid the USSR would have not been able to turn back the German tide. The aid supplied to the Russians was of vital importance. It would have been difficult for the Navi's to win, but for the same reason it would have been just as hard if not harder for the Soviets to push back.

The vast of the Russian Railroads were Allied Locomotives. The USSR is a vast country who relies hevily on its railway system to function. The USSR in the war managed to produce only 92 locomotives. The US supplied over 1900 locomotives. How does the USSR manage to function when its entire railway system the backbone of its logistical system wouldn't exist if not for lend lease?

2/3rds of the trucks in the Red Army were American. How do you manage to conduct a huge counter offensive when your logistical system can barely get you past Moscow?

but still I think it's generally accepted that the USSR's ability to mass produce its sturdy but shoddy T-34 (as opposed to the Germans' careful, time-consuming construction of their Tiger Tanks) won them the war.

The Germans were over-stretched with regards to their logistical system. They couldn't get past Moscow either. Their advance was immeasurably helped by Stalin's purges, but the fact of the matter is that the Russians could move troops and forces and mass them quicker and better than the Germans and continued to do so after pushing back the Nazi's, primarily because they logistical systems allowed them to. A Logistical system consisting mostly of Allies. Its no good producing tanks and rifles behind the Urals, if they can not reach the frontline which is ever moving away.

The Soviet juggernaut was unstoppable and what we owe (mostly the Americans) is meeting the Soviets half way, in Germany. Otherwise we would all be speaking Russian now.

The Soviet Juggernaut was not unstoppable. By the end of WWII it was pretty much exhausted & over stretched. And it only managed to get to Germany because of its logistical chain. Suppllied by US.

And of course by 1945, had the war not have ended, buckets of instant sunshine would have been dumped over Germany.

[Conor the Bold]

[quote=Fir Bolg]

Actually the country with the most importance in the fight against the Nazi's was the US. No Perhaps about it. The USSR paid a huge blood debt to fight the Nazi's, but had the US not been in the war then it is very unlikely that the USSR would have been able to turn back the Nazis from the gates of Moscow & Stalingrad.

Quite wide of the mark. You need to read up on WW2 history.
Suggested reading: Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-45 by Evan Mawdsley
Armageddon: The Battle for Germany, 1944-1945 by Max Hastings
The RUSSO-GERMAN War, 1941-45. by Albert. Seaton
Both Berlin and Stalingrad by Anthony Beevor
These would give you a good start and insight into who really won the war.

The really significant part played by the US was the introduction of the lend lease program which helped get the Red army motorised.[/quote:1hangdoc]

Well duh... I do believe that was my point. But thanks for being a patronising bastard!

BTW 'helped get the Red Army Motorised'? Now do you count supplying 2/3rds of the motorised vehicles in the Red Army as merely 'helping', or rather the USA provided the vast majority of the logistical chain which enabled the Russians to fight. Not just at the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad but all the way to Berlin. How much the the USSR Locomotives and Rolling stock, was actually of Soviet Manufacture?

Put it this way. Without Lend Lease, do you think the Russians turned the Axis forces back all the way back to Berlin - before the Atomic Bombs being dropped? I wonder...

[Zyklon B]

[quote=louis bernard]

Mary Malone’s 28-year-old son, Lance Corporal Ian Malone, was shot dead by a sniper near the southern Iraqi town of Basra on April 6, 2003.

Good.

You are a cowardly sad excuse for a human being, more to be pitied than reviled.[/quote:30yk0lgp]
Death is too good for 'Irish' British army recruits.

You didn't answer my question though. Are you a squaddie? Irish?

Mary Malone’s 28-year-old son, Lance Corporal Ian Malone, was shot dead by a sniper near the southern Iraqi town of Basra on April 6, 2003.

Good.

I bet you would not have the balls to say that to her face. You complete waste of space.

I bet I would.

Mary Malone’s 28-year-old son, Lance Corporal Ian Malone, was shot dead by a sniper near the southern Iraqi town of Basra on April 6, 2003.

Good.

Callous c*nt! No thoughts for the poor mother I see! Ar$ewipe!

People like this Ian Malone disgrace us as a people for 'taking the Queen's shilling'. They're the c*nts, as you put it.

[Aindriu]

[quote=Zyklon B][quote="louis bernard":3sae5uxv]

Mary Malone’s 28-year-old son, Lance Corporal Ian Malone, was shot dead by a sniper near the southern Iraqi town of Basra on April 6, 2003.

Good.

You are a cowardly sad excuse for a human being, more to be pitied than reviled.[/quote:3sae5uxv]
Death is too good for 'Irish' British army recruits.

You didn't answer my question though. Are you a squaddie? Irish?

Mary Malone’s 28-year-old son, Lance Corporal Ian Malone, was shot dead by a sniper near the southern Iraqi town of Basra on April 6, 2003.

Good.

I bet you would not have the balls to say that to her face. You complete waste of space.

I bet I would.

Mary Malone’s 28-year-old son, Lance Corporal Ian Malone, was shot dead by a sniper near the southern Iraqi town of Basra on April 6, 2003.

Good.

Callous c*nt! No thoughts for the poor mother I see! Ar$ewipe!

People like this Ian Malone disgrace us as a people for 'taking the Queen's shilling'. They're the c*nts, as you put it.[/quote:3sae5uxv]
People like you make me want to puke! Why he decided to join the British Army is irrelevant. The simple fact is that a mother is grieving and you come up with your pathetic one word response! Would you have said the same if a member of the Irish forces in Chad been killed by a sniper? Or a member of the RA perhaps? At least have the common decency to show his grieving mother some respect!

[NeilW]

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There are surely times when even the biggest moron in the village knows that it's better to shut his stupid trap?

[Zyklon B]

People like you make me want to puke! Why he decided to join the British Army is irrelevant. The simple fact is that a mother is grieving and you come up with your pathetic one word response! Would you have said the same if a member of the Irish forces in Chad been killed by a sniper? Or a member of the RA perhaps? At least have the common decency to show his grieving mother some respect!

I care not for this Brit soldier...I express the same regret I would for the death of British soldiers in the 6 counties...none whatsoever. Hitler had a grieving sister, Paula...

[louis bernard]

This Zyklon B lunatic is obviously a troll of the highest order, or he is mentally retarded. I think it is best if people ignore him and do not answer his posts.

[Aindriu]

People like you make me want to puke! Why he decided to join the British Army is irrelevant. The simple fact is that a mother is grieving and you come up with your pathetic one word response! Would you have said the same if a member of the Irish forces in Chad been killed by a sniper? Or a member of the RA perhaps? At least have the common decency to show his grieving mother some respect!

I care not for this Brit soldier...I express the same regret I would for the death of British soldiers in the 6 counties...none whatsoever. Hitler had a grieving sister, Paula...

I asked you to show respect to his mother a$$hole!