why is it that some uk flags being flown in predominantly unionist towns are so tatty that they're basically rags? less than half a flag sometimes! you can almost smell the symbolism.
i'm not a unionist but where is the pride? i always thought that lot were proud of their flag. i don't get it.
Perhaps they're Sex Pistols fans...
If you're talking about the flags flown from lamp post to lamp post, judging by the looks of the people who erect them, it's more about shoving your "British pride" in others' faces than it is about actually having any sense of pride.
People actually from Britain seem to be able to be proud without making the place look like there was a sale on Union Flags somewhere.
It's utter insecurity, a sense that they have to convince themselves more than anybody else that they are in some way British. A spell in London would disabuse them of that notion, they're just paddies there. In fairness there's a touch of that insecurity on the other side too.Originally Posted by Marty J
I thought there was a protocol for flags of not letting the sun set on them.
Dogs mark territory using lamposts also
Fianna Fail will allow the Irish People, to me milked like Milch Cows, by the CIF through high house prices, rents, and land prices, at the expense of competitiveness,and quality of life. FF+CIF=1
I think they put up new flags once a year, on time for the marching season.
If there is a future, it will be Green.
There are few flags up at present in the loyalist part of Lurgan. the winter weather takes them down from last year. After speaking to a loyalist this morning, he told me they have ordered 10k union Jacks and expect to see the place absolutely covered in them by June. every lamp post and every house will have a flag.
I have noticed its only lower class loyalist that hang up the flags, upper and middle class unionism don't.
Personally i think its quite sad hanging up flags of a country that doesn't want them. its just a way to show that they are anything but Irish. its a desperate attempt to form some sort of culture or some sort of reasoning for their existence. I honestly feel sorry for them. they probably had no choice to leave their natural homeland back 400 years ago, I'm sure their landlords to them were brutal back then. Also, Britain didn't exist 400 years ago, so its in accurate to call themselves British.
Also, when the Orange order was formed, it was never about being British, it was about religious freedom. The British element really only came in during the formation of the free state. Again see orange bands with union jacks is another terrible inaccuracy.
Its only a matter of time there will be a UI. sure the writing is on the wall, and all middle class unionism know this. Sure look at Mr Browns latest snub to cut corporation taxes at the investing conferences last week. Middle class Unionism is starting to question the point of being in the UK. Yes it made economical sense back at the formation of the free state when the North was heavily industrialised with ship building, clothing factories, flax mills etc,, but now, all the protestant prosperity is gone. The protestant ethos of strong economics and hard workmanship is seriously under threat in the North. They will need the south to survive. And the very existence of being in the UK will become less important when they find they are economically better off in a UI. its only a matter of time, sure i see attitudes here changing every day.
And when the FF party machine begin in the north, you will find a lot of Unionism voting for them. They don't see FF as just a nationalist party, they see it as a good, sound and strong economic identity.
Don't think flags have anything to do with a United Ireland.
Personally, if these people want to put some flags, etc. up for twee weeks of the year (as they did in the town where I live) and take them down again after that - then I don't mind. Doesn't really bother me.
I does look pretty tatty when they hang from lampposts in run-down estates and I do know there are quite a few community-groups that are working to get these things resolved. Quite a few Alliance councillors have been quite pro-active on this too I think.
I've said this before. But the thing I find the most objectionable during the marching, etc. is the public drinking that goes on. I'd wish the police and the organisation would crack down on that. It has nothing to do with the OO and it turns the place into a public toilet.
"The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).
Mind you, I've just come back from a walk around the Walls Of Derry, and the veiw over the Bogside is awash with tricolours, many of them the worse for wear.
If there is a future, it will be Green.
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