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    Explaining "the Troubles"

    I've just came back from spending three months in the States, where the political situation in Ireland came up in conversation with many people. When they asked me what it was all about, I admit that I didn't quite know where to begin.

    Has anyone else faced similar questions, and if so, how did they reply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty J
    I've just came back from spending three months in the States, where the political situation in Ireland came up in conversation with many people. When they asked me what it was all about, I admit that I didn't quite know where to begin.

    Has anyone else faced similar questions, and if so, how did they reply?
    Well, all they are looking for is the basic rough guide, so what I have done is describe how Ireland was partitioned, the conditions which led up open conflict, the main groups involved, and some of the more infamous incidents, wrapped up in a neat bundle of GFA!

    Aint so hard my friend, they are just looking for a bit of insight from an Irish perspective.
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    Re: Explaining "the Troubles"

    Or you can just throw Marc Mulholland's Northern Ireland: A Very Short Introduction at them.
    "The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).

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    I presume you mean the most recent troubles....What answer would you give them in response to a similiar question on the troubles up to 1921.....Give them the same answer if you want to be honest with yourself and them.......It was all about and still is about a little country's fight for freedom and independence from a larger neighbour....The Americans will understand if they know their own history .....They also had their wars of independence from the English...just like us.........

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    Re: Explaining "the Troubles"

    Quote Originally Posted by bogtrotter
    The Americans will understand if they know their own history
    Oh dear, there is one large unopened can of nasty worms waiting to get out...
    "The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).

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    Re: Explaining "the Troubles"

    Quote Originally Posted by SamiSung
    What about this.
    Once upon a time, in a land far far away........................................The taigs wanted their own country(for some reason), while the Huns didnt want them to have it so they decided they too wanted their own country , but separate from the Taigs. The English were at their wits end with the both of them so decided to grant each their wish, hoping they would both go away, leaving them alone.
    The only problem being that the Taigs who were left behind with the Huns, wanted to be with the rest of the Taigs. Tne Huns felt threatened by this, and so ignored the northern taigs for 50 years. One day the taigs had enough and decided to try and overthrow the Huns, The English intervened to restore order , and some of the Taigs decided they were they problem, and decided to attack them, along with the odd pot shot at the huns, for 30 years.
    One day the Taigs realised their strategy wasnt really working, and decided that maybe they should work alongside the Huns and make the place they lived a better , more peaceful and prosperous place for everyone.
    The End?
    The best I can say of that is at least you started with 'Once upon a time'..
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    Re: Explaining "the Troubles"

    Quote Originally Posted by Young Ned
    Quote Originally Posted by SamiSung
    What about this.
    Once upon a time, in a land far far away........................................The taigs wanted their own country(for some reason), while the Huns didnt want them to have it so they decided they too wanted their own country , but separate from the Taigs. The English were at their wits end with the both of them so decided to grant each their wish, hoping they would both go away, leaving them alone.
    The only problem being that the Taigs who were left behind with the Huns, wanted to be with the rest of the Taigs. Tne Huns felt threatened by this, and so ignored the northern taigs for 50 years. One day the taigs had enough and decided to try and overthrow the Huns, The English intervened to restore order , and some of the Taigs decided they were they problem, and decided to attack them, along with the odd pot shot at the huns, for 30 years.
    One day the Taigs realised their strategy wasnt really working, and decided that maybe they should work alongside the Huns and make the place they lived a better , more peaceful and prosperous place for everyone.
    The End?
    The best I can say of that is at least you started with 'Once upon a time'..
    This aint to far of the lineportrated by the sunday indo and the times etc

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    Re: Explaining "the Troubles"

    Just send them this URL,... it more or less explains things in terms they understand and how the majority on this site see the Northern Ireland situation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJq1f_8bw4
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    Re: Explaining "the Troubles"

    It was the continuation of the prodacust by heathen catholics against the decent, peace loving population of "Ulser"[/Willie Frazer]

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    Re: Explaining "the Troubles"

    What troubles?
    Few are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence.

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