What we got was British Justice

[Lámh dearg abú]

Missing from all the mainstream media coverage and hype about the end of the British Army’s frontline role in the six counties was the unsurprising absence of a few glaring statistics:

• The British Army killed approximately 300 people during their so-called Operation Banner.
• The British Army was responsible for 11% of all killings during the recent conflict-their victims being almost exclusively from the Catholic community.
• Only 4 British soldiers were ever convicted of the charge of murder in any of these killings.
• The sentences served by these 4 British soldiers ranged from 3-5 years, most of which was spent in ‘military custody sic.
• All 4 were subsequently re-admitted to the British Army
• 2 are currently stationed in Basra in Iraq.

I know many republican ex-POWS who never were convicted of murder. Yet a large proportion of them spent more time in Long Kesh, on an individual basis, than the total time spent in custody by these 4 soldiers combined.

Mabye if some of the West Brits on this site had lived under the reality of British misrule in the six counties their perspective may have have been a little different.

[st333ve]

Its a disgrace that you have to look at foreign news reports to get a realistic glimps at the past.

The contrast between RTE's coverage of the subject and outside news coverage is quite startling.


New zealand.

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Republic of Ireland. (REAL PLAYER)

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0731/north_ ... 1,null,230

RTE is a unionist grovelling, historical airbrushing disgrace.
Web coverage complete with glorifying images of the british army.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0731/north.html

In their news report they concentrate on what the IRA done and take the extremely unbalanced opinions from a unionist in a suit, and a republican brit killer.
Not 1 mention of anyones name who died at the hands of the british army or loyalist forces.

2 different news reports.

RTE is creating west brits right across ireland, their news report is taken from an anti-republican airbrushing brit loving perspective, and always is.

Ni is being used as a training ground for brits to go and kill elsewhere in the world.

The "british justice" is very frustrating, most people dont know what went on before 1969, airbrushing of history and the emphasis on the IRA portrays northern ireland through very biast eyes, and this is the common perseption of people today.

[pogo]

Missing from all the mainstream media coverage and hype about the end of the British Army’s frontline role in the six counties was the unsurprising absence of a few glaring statistics:

• The British Army killed approximately 300 people during their so-called Operation Banner.

That statisic has been mentioned in virtually every news report on the issue.

It wasn't 'so-called Operation Banner'. It was Operation Banner. That was its name.

• The British Army was responsible for 11% of all killings during the recent conflict-their victims being almost exclusively from the Catholic community.

So, care to tell us who killed the majority of the majority of the remaining 89%?

And while you're at it, which organisation killed the greatest number of Catholics?

• Only 4 British soldiers were ever convicted of the charge of murder in any of these killings.
• The sentences served by these 4 British soldiers ranged from 3-5 years, most of which was spent in ‘military custody sic.
• All 4 were subsequently re-admitted to the British Army
• 2 are currently stationed in Basra in Iraq.

I know many republican ex-POWS who never were convicted of murder. Yet a large proportion of them spent more time in Long Kesh, on an individual basis, than the total time spent in custody by these 4 soldiers combined.

Why don't we put everyone who killed anyone in N.I. on trial who hasn't already been convicted?

That would mean 300 soldiers and around 1,400 IRA men.

Happy with my suggestion?

Mabye if some of the West Brits on this site had lived under the reality of British misrule in the six counties their perspective may have have been a little different.

Maybe some would be happier if they just got on with their lives instead of raking up the embers of the past.

[vito corleone]

Missing from all the mainstream media coverage and hype about the end of the British Army’s frontline role in the six counties was the unsurprising absence of a few glaring statistics:

• The British Army killed approximately 300 people during their so-called Operation Banner.
• The British Army was responsible for 11% of all killings during the recent conflict-their victims being almost exclusively from the Catholic community.
• Only 4 British soldiers were ever convicted of the charge of murder in any of these killings.
• The sentences served by these 4 British soldiers ranged from 3-5 years, most of which was spent in ‘military custody sic.
• All 4 were subsequently re-admitted to the British Army
• 2 are currently stationed in Basra in Iraq.

I know many republican ex-POWS who never were convicted of murder. Yet a large proportion of them spent more time in Long Kesh, on an individual basis, than the total time spent in custody by these 4 soldiers combined.

Mabye if some of the West Brits on this site had lived under the reality of British misrule in the six counties their perspective may have have been a little different.

If you think the British army only killed 300 people during the Troubles then you're more deluded than RTE and the BBC put together. The British controlled loyalist death squads. The true scale of their murderous activities will never be known, but there's precious little that the UDA and UVF did that wasn't either facilitated or condoned by the British government through its military agents in the North. And that, my friend, is the awful truth that even now some people refuse to acknowledge.

[st333ve]

Missing from all the mainstream media coverage and hype about the end of the British Army’s frontline role in the six counties was the unsurprising absence of a few glaring statistics:

• The British Army killed approximately 300 people during their so-called Operation Banner.

That statisic has been mentioned in virtually every news report on the issue.
[color=red]The statistic is more airbrushing and the result of not pursuing justice when the british army murder a civilian.[/color]

It wasn't 'so-called Operation Banner'. It was Operation Banner. That was its name.

• The British Army was responsible for 11% of all killings during the recent conflict-their victims being almost exclusively from the Catholic community.

So, care to tell us who killed the majority of the majority of the remaining 89%?
[color=red]The catagory loyalists/british killed the majority between 1921-2007.
Conveniant airbrushing will give you the figure you really want to see however.[/color]

And while you're at it, which organisation killed the greatest number of Catholics?
[color=red]Loyalist/british[/color]

[quote:2f6xj9gx]• Only 4 British soldiers were ever convicted of the charge of murder in any of these killings.
• The sentences served by these 4 British soldiers ranged from 3-5 years, most of which was spent in ‘military custody sic.
• All 4 were subsequently re-admitted to the British Army
• 2 are currently stationed in Basra in Iraq.

I know many republican ex-POWS who never were convicted of murder. Yet a large proportion of them spent more time in Long Kesh, on an individual basis, than the total time spent in custody by these 4 soldiers combined.

Why don't we put everyone who killed anyone in N.I. on trial who hasn't already been convicted?
[color=red]Hes talking about internment, (see below) and what about the inhuman way britain treated the prisoners, most never even seen the inside of a court, but i would expect a unionist to care.[/color]

That would mean 300 soldiers and around 1,400 IRA men.

Happy with my suggestion?

Mabye if some of the West Brits on this site had lived under the reality of British misrule in the six counties their perspective may have have been a little different.

Maybe if some would be happier if they just got on with their lives instead of raking up the embers of the past.[/quote:2f6xj9gx]

Internment was reintroduced on the orders of the then Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, Brian Faulkner. The policy of internment had been used a number of times during Northern Ireland's (and the Republic of Ireland's) history.

Internment was continued by the British authorities in Northern Ireland until Friday 5 December 1975. During this period a total of 1,981 people were interned: 1,874 were Irish nationalists, while 107 were Ulster loyalists[1].

In the case brought to the European Commission of Human Rights by the Irish government against the British state it was conceded that Operation Demetrius was planned and implemented from the highest levels of the British Government and that specially trained personnel were sent to Northern Ireland to familiarise the local forces in what became known as the 'five techniques' [color=red](of torture)[/color] [2]. Historians generally view that period of internment as inflaming sectarian tensions in Northern Ireland while failing in its stated aim of arresting members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army, [color=red]because many of the people arrested were completely unconnected with the organisation [/color]but had had their names appear on the list of those to be interned through bungling and incompetence and over 100 IRA men escaped arrest.

The backlash against internment contributed to the decision of the British government under Prime Minister Edward Heath to suspend the Stormont governmental system in Northern Ireland and replace it with direct rule from Westminster, under the authority of a British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. On the initial list, which was drawn up by the Special Branch and MI5, There were 450 names, but only 350 of these rendered themselves available for internment. Key figures on the lists, and many who never appeared on them, were warned before the swoop began. It included leaders of the non-violent civil rights movement such as Ivan Barr and Michael Farrell. But, as [color=red]Tim Pat Coogan noted, "What they did not include was a single Loyalist. Although the UVF had begun the killing and bombing, this organisation was left untouched, as were other violent Loyalist satellite organisations such as Tara, the Shankill Defence Association and the Ulster Protestant Volunteers. It is known that Faulkner was urged by the British to include a few Protestants in the trawl but he refused."[/color][3]

Unionists only see what they want to see.

The period 0f 1969-1992.
They only want to view the british army in a positive light,( this isnt done by stating positive things they done, but rather negative things "the other side" done) when infact theyre brutal tactics created a huge upsurge in IRA recruitment.
They fuked up, in every way possible, and now theyre using NI to train for Iraq so they can fuk it up too.]

But hey, theyre british.
Expect the usual degrtading pathetic fanatical grovveling and worshipping from unionists.

[Clenlish]

300 deaths in the longest ever military campaign by the British Army. 57,470 British casualties alone on the first Day of the Battle of the Somme. Over 1,100,00 died on all side in the Somme. Do the comparisons yourself.

[pogo]

If you think the British army only killed 300 people during the Troubles then you're more deluded than RTE and the BBC put together. The British controlled loyalist death squads. The true scale of their murderous activities will never be known, but there's precious little that the UDA and UVF did that wasn't either facilitated or condoned by the British government through its military agents in the North. And that, my friend, is the awful truth that even now some people refuse to acknowledge.

Perhaps they don't acknowledge it because it isn't true.

[st333ve]

300 deaths in the longest ever military campaign by the British Army. 57,470 British casualties alone on the first Day of the Battle of the Somme. Over 1,100,00 died on all side in the Somme. Do the comparisons yourself.

Dont you think thats a slightly different topic?

How about this, Cromwell wiped out 1/3- 1/2 of Irelands population and sold many more to the slave trade.
You will find a nice statue of him outside westminster.

The Somme wasnt the same army or era, and is completely unrelated.

Typical unionist BS, if any bad publicity arises, metion the world war!!

You couldnt make this stuff up, quality comedy!

[vito corleone]

If you think the British army only killed 300 people during the Troubles then you're more deluded than RTE and the BBC put together. The British controlled loyalist death squads. The true scale of their murderous activities will never be known, but there's precious little that the UDA and UVF did that wasn't either facilitated or condoned by the British government through its military agents in the North. And that, my friend, is the awful truth that even now some people refuse to acknowledge.

Perhaps they don't acknowledge it because it isn't true.

It isn't true that British agents colluded with loyalist killers. Don't take my word for it, ask that dyed-in-the-wool republican Lord Stevens.

[st333ve]

If you think the British army only killed 300 people during the Troubles then you're more deluded than RTE and the BBC put together. The British controlled loyalist death squads. The true scale of their murderous activities will never be known, but there's precious little that the UDA and UVF did that wasn't either facilitated or condoned by the British government through its military agents in the North. And that, my friend, is the awful truth that even now some people refuse to acknowledge.

Perhaps they don't acknowledge it because it isn't true.

Ah come on you dont really believe your own denial do you?????



Wouldnt matter is it was true or not, i would'nt expect a sectarian bigot to care about an innocent catholic being murdered by "the great brits " , theyve been quite good at it throughout history, infact our population is still recovering from it.

Quick cover your eyes pretend you didnt read it!