What we got was British Justice

[tiocfaidh]

The point, which is valid, is that the British have slaughtered and oppressed people all over the world. Does anyone truly disagree with that?

I disagree.

Ireland, Scotland, Australia, Rhodesia, India....Disagree all you like but the list goes on...


[quote:ulf3m5bn]And I know a lot more about the world than the kind of Republican who believes Britain to have been responsible for the Vietnam war, who isn't aware that Scotland is in Britain and who believes the Great War of 1914-18 was against Hitler and the Nazis.

I think you are confusing me with another Republican. I never claimed Britain responsible for Vietnam (France and America can claim that one). Of course I know Scotland is part of Great Britain (as is Wales). And yes, I know Hitler was WWII, not WWI. We may disagree on many things, Pogo, but I am with you on those three. I do recall reading the earlier thread that you are referring to, but it wasn't my post.

The old saying, "The sun never sets on the British empire," could just as easily been worded, "The sun never sets on Britain's slaughter of the natives."

So how many natives did Britain actually slaughter?

P.S. You can't count Vietnam.

[/quote:ulf3m5bn]

How many did the Brits slaughter? Sorry, but my computer is kind of old and I don't know if can add up all those numbers.

[pogo]

How many did the Brits slaughter? Sorry, but my computer is kind of old and I don't know if can add up all those numbers.

Try.

[pogo]

Of course I know Scotland is part of Great Britain (as is Wales).

If you are aware that Scotland is in Britain, it doesn't make a great deal of sense to state they were slaughtered by the British which you do earlier in your post.

[tiocfaidh]

Of course I know Scotland is part of Great Britain (as is Wales).

If you are aware that Scotland is in Britain, it doesn't make a great deal of sense to state they were slaughtered by the British which you do earlier in your post.

I think we are getting into semantics, but if you want to play that game we can do so. Scotland is part of Britain because the English conquered the Scots and decided to call the whole island Great Britain. The Scots were slaughtered by that portion of modern day Great Britain known as England. So of course it is possible for one part of a political entity to be slaughtered by another part of it! Just because Scotland is a de facto component of two unjust political entities (both Great Britain and the UK) does not mean another part of that entity cannot exert it's power over it.

[tiocfaidh]

How many did the Brits slaughter? Sorry, but my computer is kind of old and I don't know if can add up all those numbers.

Try.

Here's a start: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 80,00.html

[pogo]

Scotland is part of Britain because the English conquered the Scots and decided to call the whole island Great Britain.

Have you been reading the same books as St333ve?

Or does your understanding of Scottish history come from watching Braveheart?

Scotland is part of Britain (geographically), because it is on an island called Britain. It shares the same monarchy because King James became heir to the English throne after the death of Elizabeth I. This has nothing whatsoever to do with 'conquest'.

[pogo]

How many did the Brits slaughter? Sorry, but my computer is kind of old and I don't know if can add up all those numbers.

Try.

Here's a start: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 80,00.html

I asked for a figure.

The article you linked to is about conflicts in former parts of the British Empire, and is therefore not really very helpful.

[tiocfaidh]

Scotland is part of Britain because the English conquered the Scots and decided to call the whole island Great Britain.

Have you been reading the same books as St333ve?

Or does your understanding of Scottish history come from watching Braveheart?

Scotland is part of Britain (geographically), because it is on an island called Britain. It shares the same monarchy because King James became heir to the English throne after the death of Elizabeth I. This has nothing whatsoever to do with 'conquest'.

My point was that the Scots were murdered by the same empire that murdered many others. If you would rather I say that it was purely the English that murdered the Scots, whereas the broader group the Brits slaughtered the Irish, and the broader-still group the UK that slaughtered millions in corners further across the globe, then I will do so. You know what I am getting at.

My question to you: Do you deny the ENGLISH slaughter of the Scots and the BRITISH slaughter of the Irish? Do you deny the murder of millions by the UK in Kenya- http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showpdf.cg ... 1151420457 , Australia -- http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/r ... 2/art00001 India -- ttp://www.hindu.com/2005/12/28/stories/ ... 961100.htm , etc.??

[tiocfaidh]

How many did the Brits slaughter? Sorry, but my computer is kind of old and I don't know if can add up all those numbers.

Try.

Here's a start: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 80,00.html

I asked for a figure.

If I had to prove to you the ocean was wet, would you need to know how many gallons of water?

[Jozer]

Scotland is part of Britain because the English conquered the Scots and decided to call the whole island Great Britain.

Have you been reading the same books as St333ve?

Or does your understanding of Scottish history come from watching Braveheart?

Scotland is part of Britain (geographically), because it is on an island called Britain. It shares the same monarchy because King James became heir to the English throne after the death of Elizabeth I. This has nothing whatsoever to do with 'conquest'.

My point was that the Scots were murdered by the same empire that murdered many others. If you would rather I say that it was purely the English that murdered the Scots, whereas the broader group the Brits slaughtered the Irish, and the broader-still group the UK that slaughtered millions in corners further across the globe, then I will do so. You know what I am getting at.

My question to you: Do you deny the ENGLISH slaughter of the Scots and the BRITISH slaughter of the Irish? Do you deny the murder of millions by the UK in Kenya- http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showpdf.cg ... 1151420457 , Australia -- http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/r ... 2/art00001 India -- ttp://www.hindu.com/2005/12/28/stories/ ... 961100.htm , etc.??

No. The Scottish Monarch agreed to become the monarch of the UK. 100 years later the Scottish Parliament voted to dissolve itself, and re-assemble as part of the UK Parliament at Westminster.

The defeat of the Jacobites at Culloden, and the subsequent ethnic cleansing of Highland Scots, was carried out by the British Army, which included Scots, and had the support of most Scots.