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About LinkBacksFourteen deaths over four Twelfths between 1996-99 - interestingly, none since. Is that correct?Originally Posted by wjeilis
Fourteen deaths over four Twelfths between 1996-99 - interestingly, none since. Is that correct?
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
You've just done it again. You've equated Orangeism on one side with militant and sectarian republican bigotry on the other.What?Interesting that you should equate Orange Order marches with these republican rallies.Excellent day in Enniskillen yesterday. The best 12th I've ever attended.
It struck me that republicans always talk about how close they are, yet their "rallies" never muster more than a handful of dubious individuals. According to reports up to half a million attended Orange parades in Ni yesterday.
I used the comparision to compare support for Orangeism and Unionism to support for republicanism & nationalism. I witnessed a laughable republican parade in Scotland recently with a whole 20 people in celtic tops & bands that had a "uniform" which resembled a dodgy dunnes stores thrown together school uniform
What you perhaps meant to do was equate the Twelfth parades in the North with St Patrick's Day parades in the South and the relevant size of support for these.
But you didn't. You twice equated Orangeism with its mirror sectarian image on the Green side.
Isn't it time we ignored the OO marchers? They may be triumphalist little bigots but most of their triumphalism comes from imposing thier will upon others. It's not king billy that motivates them, its their own petty battles to show their supremacy. If they were given carte blanch to march where ever they wanted on the 12th, hell even invite them down to the site of the battle. That will leave them with no more battles to fight, no more conflict, no more opportunity for them to triumph. The coat tailers, hanging on in there for a bit of agro, would loose interest very quickly and the OO would probably fall in numbers very fast. Can you really see any young people joining an organisation like the OO without the excitement of conflict?
If they want to sulk and stamp their feet until we give them the football, fine, let them have the football, but why don't the rest of us play a game of hurling somewhere else. They'll soon get bored of their own company.
Interesting idea and probably some merit in it, but I would say easier said than done. I take it you've never actually witnessed an OO march being forced down your street year after year ?? (btw, neither have I)
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Ibm42, if the idea of conflict is true, then what are they doing at Rossnowlagh? There was never conflict there, yet they still come and march.
Well, it makes these very dumb people seem more important. Some people thrive on ignorance.William of Orange included presbyterians in his sectarian oppressive laws, their marricages etc. wernt recognised by the state and they had little rights.
They were treated in a similar way to catholics.
Today presbyterians (who wernt allowed to join the OO until aver a century after William of Orange) march about waving pictures of the man who hated and oppressed them and march about celebrating the fact.
They cant see past this "we beat the catholics, yeroooh!" mentality.
Thats an odd claim!! When recent figures showed that 45% OF protestants in Northern Ireland attend church comapred to the counterparts in England, Scotland and Wales are much lower, 15, 12 and 8.
Its great to see Orangemen and bands marching in Donegal without any trouble at all. Just a few Gardai are present for traffic control.
Half a million, wow nothing like hyperbole. How many attended the largest field outside Belfast to hear the speeches? Going by the news only a couple of dozen. Although many who attended to watch the parades are the drunken dross who stayed up all night, fresh from celebrating their culture by burning banners with the names of recently deceased Catholic children. The lowest of the low and no mistake.Excellent day in Enniskillen yesterday. The best 12th I've ever attended.
It struck me that republicans always talk about how close they are, yet their "rallies" never muster more than a handful of dubious individuals. According to reports up to half a million attended Orange parades in Ni yesterday.
I think that the future for the OO is to tackle the more unacceptable elements first - the sectarian banners at the 11th bonfires as alluded to above, the drunkenness, and the paramiliraty flags. I understand that there was progress this year on these fronts (perhaps not the drunkenness one) and I hope that they keep up this progress because if the parades could be made more positive then they coulld change the whole atmophere up there in the six counties. Also good to see that the OO has turned round on its position of not talking to residents - that is good. Then people in the six counties can move gradually to a more respecting society where they live and let llive.
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