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    Quote Originally Posted by Northtipp View Post
    I do understand that reason. Not getting into whataboutery but Greg isn't exactly Mother Theresa. However the hand extended can help heal and in Gregs case as sinner and sinned against.
    What makes campbell a sinner, that he has a different opinion or that he engaged in a murderous terror campaign? I've never seen evidence against Campbell regarding paramilitaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    What makes campbell a sinner, that he has a different opinion or that he engaged in a murderous terror campaign? I've never seen evidence against Campbell regarding paramilitaries.
    People were not required to pull triggers to have responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northtipp View Post
    People were not required to pull triggers to have responsibility.
    So he's responsible for what exactly because he did what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northtipp View Post
    People were not required to pull triggers to have responsibility.
    So are you saying that he directed physical force Loyalists? Did he ever call on people to take matters into their own hands?

    I agree with that you dont have pull triggers to have responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    So he's responsible for what exactly because he did what exactly?
    I'd imagine his handling of the march surrounding Kevin McDaids sectarian murder wasn't exactly responsible. Maybe thats just me though. Nor his commenst on Saville. But again maybe that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradosis View Post
    So are you saying that he directed physical force Loyalists? Did he ever call on people to take matters into their own hands?

    I agree with that you dont have pull triggers to have responsibility.
    No, I have no evidence that he directed any violence neither did I suggest it btw. I'm glad you agree ref responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northtipp View Post
    I do understand that reason. Not getting into whataboutery but Greg isn't exactly Mother Theresa. However the hand extended can help heal and in Gregs case as sinner and sinned against.
    Well republicans have to shoulder a lot of the blame too for hardened attitudes, they just decided to try and kill all who didnt agree with them so I think its a bit hollow of them now coming 20 odd years later and pretending to reach out to those that they tried and failed to kill back in that era. As regards your Mother Theresa comment I think thats an attempt to tar Gregory with the same brush as certain SF members and it is nonsense, Gregory never skulked about the streets at night planting bombs under the cars of his political opponents, he has no blood on his hands so dont try and maintain hes some sort of terrorist like some of those who sit at the other end of the room in Stormont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NornIron;4933524[B
    ]Well republicans have to shoulder a lot of the blame too for hardened attitudes[/B], they just decided to try and kill all who didnt agree with them so I think its a bit hollow of them now coming 20 odd years later and pretending to reach out to those that they tried and failed to kill back in that era. As regards your Mother Theresa comment I think thats an attempt to tar Gregory with the same brush as certain SF members and it is nonsense, Gregory never skulked about the streets at night planting bombs under the cars of his political opponents, he has no blood on his hands so dont try and maintain hes some sort of terrorist like some of those who sit at the other end of the room in Stormont.
    Of course. That's my point. Politicians of that era also need to look at themselves. I think it was David Ervine who mentioned that he believed Paisley was responsible for putting young lads in jail. The more reasonable point, rather than your blood and guts type rhetoric, is that we now have the opportunity to attempt to reach out and continue moving on. That's a responsibility for all our politicians including Campbell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northtipp View Post
    I'd imagine his handling of the march surrounding Kevin McDaids sectarian murder wasn't exactly responsible. Maybe thats just me though. Nor his commenst on Saville. But again maybe that's just me.
    So Campbell is guilty of having an opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    So Campbell is guilty of having an opinion?
    Don't be a smart arse Ray. He is a leading politician and has a responsibility to approach events and situations in a manner that are unlikely to inflame or incense.
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