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About LinkBacksnot strapped to a chair and shot ........obviously , though still feeling Connolly's pain , you pain in the airse.Originally Posted by The Herren
not strapped to a chair and shot ........obviously , though still feeling Connolly's pain , you pain in the airse.
My sincere condolences.
I have seen a bit, 32 years later I still can hardly talk about one of the events, I live a life and have a family while a friend of mine is forever 15. I am not and never have been a bigot but I hate the ira with every fibre in my body, and I always will.
Nec Aspera Terrent... má meas a bheith agat mo chultúr, beidh meas a bheith agam do chultúr.
I accept that. Condolences and I hope you don't take that the wrong way.
It's only a bit of craic
nah your alright for one of themuns!!!
in ways our/my generation are part of the problem, we grew up with the troubles and it was 'normal' to us, and i don't think we have passed on just how rotten it was, lets hope we never go back.
Nec Aspera Terrent... má meas a bheith agat mo chultúr, beidh meas a bheith agam do chultúr.
I think it's fair that as you wouldn't expect Canadian loyalists to celebrate the American revolution (a better example as regards cultural sensitivities might be the victory of Wolfe over the French in 1759), nor would you expect Irish Catholics to celebrate the advent of an ascendancy over them (or what they would perceive as that anyway).
Why not just have major parades stick to the various town centers of Northern Ireland on that day? That way, no Catholic neighborhoods need rise up in riot at unwanted marches going past their houses, and those who want to celebrate the day can without any trouble arising.
Catholics perceived Protestant Ascendancy? I have heard it all now. Jeezus, maybe the earth is flat after all !!
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Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite them, and little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
fair enough points, 97% of parades are already non-continuous and do stick to the various town centers of Northern Ireland on that day and there are many nationalist business people glad to see a 12th in their town.
for those few parades that are continuous there are many factors... century old distrust of each other means that one side is afraid of the other i.e 'give an inch and themuns will take a mile', traditional routes, changing demographics, enclaves within enclaves, genuine and fake animosity all play a part.the OO isn't without fault but then again nor are the resident groups (many formed solely to oppose the OO). generally there are 15 major 12th parades the trouble you see on tv is generally from feeder parades, and a rural 12th is somewhat different from the ubran one. imo the solution (if any)is more trust and understanding from both sides. personally i don't want to parade anywhere i am not wanted and hopefully some day there will be no where that i am not wanted.
Nec Aspera Terrent... má meas a bheith agat mo chultúr, beidh meas a bheith agam do chultúr.
Perceive as that (the advent) I said. An ascendancy existed, obviously, what role 1690 played or didn't play is more open to debate. Who dictated, London or Dublin?
Remember that in the rest of the world, the Glorious Revolution is celebrated as one of the only bloodless revolutions in history. The war in Ireland is mostly ignored.
Their rubbish and bigotry plus discrimination days are over Global, don't get excited and upset, unionism is rubber ducked.....end of.
Northtipp, BTB,
My condolences.
It may be painful, but for the sake of achieving reconciliation we may have to seek the help of our dead, we may have to bring back their memories.
When the victims on the other side are faceless people, it is too easy to make glib, even boastful statements, saying how "ussuns" are better than "themuns". But actually we are hollering, whooping it up in a graveyard.
When we see the faces, our reactions are different. When we hear about the grief (sometimes lasting a life-time), our reactions are different. Just one example Paul Maxwell - In Memoriam - Mullaghmore 1979 - the mother of Paul Maxwell, who died aged 15.
After almost 30 years the pain and sense of great loss, which found expression in these poems, remain and always will.
Last edited by DavidCaldwell; 4th February 2012 at 07:39 AM.
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