'Oh here's to Adolph Hitler, Who made the Britons squeal': Irish extremists

[Northern Voice]

Nelson's View: Sinn Fein and the Cenotaph

Interesting blog by Nelson McCausland. It raises a few interesting points about how the IRA cheered on Hitler's Nazi regime and in instances actively collaborated with it. The title of the thread is taken from an IRA song that was published in an IRA publication in 1940.

Oh here's to Adolph Hitler,
Who made the Briton's squeal.
Sure before the fight is ended,
They will dance an Irish reel.

A statue of IRA Chief of Staff at the time, Sean Russell, was erected in Dublin by the National Graves Association. Sean died on a Nazi submarine.

McCausland's blog offers a reminder of how the republican movement attaches itself to extremist causes. From the Nazis, to PLO, to FARC, to Hamas etc.

The question is, does republicanism actually believe in the values of Nazism and these other organisations or is it just a matter of supporting those to whom the British are opposed?

[Cruimh]

A lot of that came from this in History Ireland.

‘Oh here’s to Adolph Hitler’?...The IRA and the Nazis

[DavidCaldwell]

Even the Nazis did not believe in the values (or at least the actions) of Nazism - they tried as much as possible to keep the Holocaust and their other killing secret, not only because of the likely reaction of their opponents, but also (I believe) because of the likely reaction of their supporters.

[former wesleyan]

The desperate urge to be trendy has overtaken all other considerations. " Freedom for Catalonia " - Partition of Spain - being a case in point.

[IvanTheSevere]

McCausland's blog offers a reminder of how the republican movement attaches itself to extremist causes. From the Nazis, to PLO, to FARC, to Hamas etc.

How are the PLO extremists?

Bit of a troll thread this.

[IvanTheSevere]

The desperate urge to be trendy has overtaken all other considerations. " Freedom for Catalonia " - Partition of Spain - being a case in point.

But opposition to the partition of the Basque nation between France and Spain?

The Spanish state is made up of several nations a bit like the UK- are you seriously suggesting that supporting Scottish independence and Irish national unity makes you a hypocrite?

[William T Riker]

The question is, does republicanism actually believe in the values of Nazism and these other organisations or is it just a matter of supporting those to whom the British are opposed?

It's likely the latter, Sinn Fein is a left-wing party which supports immigration to Ireland and has been historically left-wing as far as I know. I don't think all Irish republicans supported Germany either. More likely, like it was for Finland, it was a case of my enemies enemy is my friend.

[former wesleyan]

Even the Nazis did not believe in the values (or at least the actions) of Nazism - they tried as much as possible to keep the Holocaust and their other killing secret, not only because of the likely reaction of their opponents, but also (I believe) because of the likely reaction of their supporters.

Eh......not all the time. I'm reading " Ivans War " about the ordinary soldier in the USSR in WWII. One of the factors that stiffened the resolve of even the notionally breakaway peoples of Ukrain, Georgia etc to keep on fighting, was the finding or capture of German soldiers with atrocity photographs in their pockets - " Hi Muttie..me killing Jews...home soon "- and these were found on Wermacht soldiers and not just Einzatsgruppen fanatics. It became evident that to be captured by Nazis was a death sentence for soldier and civilian alike.

[IvanTheSevere]

Interesting blog by Nelson McCausland. It raises a few interesting points about how the IRA cheered on Hitler's Nazi regime and in instances actively collaborated with it. The title of the thread is taken from an IRA song that was published in an IRA publication in 1940.

You really are trolling arent you? The IRA in the south which was deeply divided among itself was either interned by the Free State government or in the British Army fighting fascism. So the idea of an "IRA publication" in 1940 is a troll.

[Cruimh]

Sinn Fein is a left-wing party which supports immigration to Ireland and has been historically left-wing as far as I know.

Then you don't know a lot. Leftist elements were regularly purged.

The Right was very powerful in Ireland. They were impressed by Right wing regimes including those of Salazar, Mussolini and even Hitler.

Some Irish politicians were pro Nazi - Aiken probably the most prominent.