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    Do all republicans/sinn fein supporters like the Wolfe Tones

    All through my years living in the north I have absolutely detested bar room republicans, mostly Celtic supporters who went to Wolfe Tone concerts and got bladdered and rowdy.. I just cannot stand the Wolfe Tones (sorry to anyone who likes them). What do other republican people think of this type of group. I do like Christy Moore though.

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    Did you not know that on joining Sf we get a: hit list of local politicians, a green book, some wolfe tones cds and a celtic top! We mnust then learn all the songs before we become full members.

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    Re: Do all republicans/sinn fein supporters like the Wolfe T

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiernanator
    All through my years living in the north I have absolutely detested bar room republicans, mostly Celtic supporters who went to Wolfe Tone concerts and got bladdered and rowdy.. I just cannot stand the Wolfe Tones (sorry to anyone who likes them). What do other republican people think of this type of group. I do like Christy Moore though.
    A lot of republicans I know, not "bar-room republicans" but who might occasionally go to a bar, actually are not too keen on the Wolfe Tones, seeing them as having profitted in some way from the conflict, while not being there to offer real support. I have no evidence one way or the other, but I actually think the Wolfe Tones are a good band in that area of Irish republican ballads. I like the fact that they didn't change their style/content just to get onto the airwaves.

    In real purist terms, it wouldn't be the most skilled and complicated music that was ever performed in Ireland though. I like Christy Moore too...

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    The following is a profound work of artistic genius and every true Oirishman worthy of the name should know its words off be heart:

    Artist: Wolfetones, The
    Song: The streets of new york
    Album: The Wolfetones Greatest Hits
    [" The Wolfetones Greatest Hits " CD]

    I was eighteen years old, when I went down to Dublin
    with a fistful of money and a cartload of dreams
    "Take your time", said me father "stop rushing like hell
    And remember all is not what it seems to be
    For there's fellows would cut you for the coat on your back
    Or the watch that you got from your mother
    So take care me young buck-o and mind yourself well
    And will you give this wee note to me brother"

    At the time Uncle Benjy was a policeman in Brooklyn
    And me father the youngest looked after the farm
    When a phone call from America said 'Send the lad over'
    And the ould fella said sure it wouldn't do any harm
    For I spoent my life working this dirty old ground
    For a few pints of porter and the smell of a pound
    And sure maybe there's something you'll learn or you'll see
    And you can bring it back home, make it easy on me

    So I landed at Kennedy and a big yellow taxi
    Carried me and my bags through the streets and the rain
    Well my poor heart was pumping around with excitement
    And I hardly even heard what the driver was saying
    We came in the short parkway to the flatlands in Brooklyn
    To my uncle's apartment on East 53rd
    I was feeling so happy I was humming a song
    And I sang you're as "Free as a bird"

    Well to shorten the story what I found out that day
    Was that Benjy got shot in a downtown foray
    And while I was flyng my way to New York
    Poor Benjy was lying in a cold city morgue
    Well I phoned up the ould fella, told him the news
    I could tell he could hardly stand up in his shoes
    And he wept as he told me, go ahead with the plan
    And not to forget to be a proud Irishman

    So I went up to Nelly's beside Fordham Road
    And I started to learn about lifting the load
    But the healthiest thing that I carried that year
    Was the bitter sweet thoughts of my home town so dear
    I went home that December 'cause the old fella died
    Had to borrow the money from Phil on the side
    And all the bright flowers and grass couldn't hide
    The poor wasted face of my father

    I sold up the old farmyard for what it was worth
    And into my bag stuck a handful of earth
    Then I boarded a train and I caught me a plane
    And I found myself back in the U.S. again
    It's been twenty-two years since I set foot in Dublin
    The kids know to use the correct knife and fork
    But I'll never forget the green grass and the rivers
    As I keep law and order in the streets of New York
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    Saw Christy Moore in concert several times as a neurotic, sexually frustrated teenager. I was also listening to Tracy Chapman at the time ffs.
    I've noticed in recent years, it's become cool to hate the Tones. Maybe they have outlived their sell by date, but their music was enjoyed by tens of thousands for decades. Their concerts were always a fairly vibrant energetic affair, especially during the armed struggle Those old enough to remember the days of
    A, Section 31 and B. No internet or alternative media source will remember the joy even a simple Rebel song would bring. I saw the Tones several times, and apart from the drunken, smelly armpitted guys waving their arms beside me it was quite good. I prefer their early albums mind.
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    I dislike the Wolfe Tones not particularly for their music but for the fact that they are money grabbing ************************ers who would be playing the Sash if they thought there was a bit of cash in it for them, they have as was rightly pointed out exploited the troubles and the movement without giving a sh1te about the politics involved, for them war was a nice handy niche to get involved with.
    But there are some very good republican bands out there, Shebeen and the Irish Brigade being two of my favourite, some of us can manage to be quite active and pull of being bar room republicans at the same time you know!! And I agree, some of Christie’s early stuff that is on the “Spirit of Freedom” album is excellent, one of my favourite songs of all time “No time for love” is on that particular CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brenners'
    I dislike the Wolfe Tones not particularly for their music but for the fact that they are money grabbing ************************ers who would be playing the Sash if they thought there was a bit of cash in it for them, they have as was rightly pointed out exploited the troubles and the movement without giving a sh1te about the politics involved, for them war was a nice handy niche to get involved with.
    But there are some very good republican bands out there, Shebeen and the Irish Brigade being two of my favourite, some of us can manage to be quite active and pull of being bar room republicans at the same time you know!! And I agree, some of Christie’s early stuff that is on the “Spirit of Freedom” album is excellent, one of my favourite songs of all time “No time for love” is on that particular CD.
    Singing only Rebel songs for thirty years during the Section 31 period is hardly the sign of someone looking for a quick buck. They could've just went fiddle-de-dee like the Dubliners or The Chieftains and really rake it in. Anyway can a PSFer really call someone a money grabbing ************************er without a winking smiley emotion?
    Just 1 gram of cocaine destroys 4m2 of tropical rainforest. Give it up ya selfish b'stards.

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    I can`t stand them personally, give me John Beag Ó Flatharta or Liam Clancy any day. The reason is their style I think it`s desperate, that whiny voice, ballads being played at speeds that don`t suit. I find Christy Moore hit and miss.

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    I detest the Wolf Tones but I hold Christ Moore in equally low regard, particularly after he charged €25 for an anti-war concert. Wonder where the profits went.
    So I'm one republican who doesn't like the Wolfe Tones.
    Liquidate labour, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.

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    Rebel music never did much for me, so here's one Republican who doesn't like 'em.

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