Civil Rights and Civil Wrongs

[flyer]

They can't vote in elections in THIS country because they don'e live in THIS country. It's like living in Germany near the French border and complaining that you can't vote in French elections.

If you want to vote in a "presidential election" then your options are:
1. Move to the Republic of Ireland.
2. Stage a revolution and replace your head of state (the Queen) with a president.
3. Unite the island of Ireland in a way where basically the Republic take over the current United Kingdom terrority on the island. (I don't just call it uniting the island because remember we could unite the island by the Republic going back into the United Kingdom).

1 is easy enough to do in principle if you feel that deeply about it. However in practice people can't just uproot their families.

2 is hard (that's an understatement). But maybe when Charles and Camilla come to the throne even the Tories will lend a hand.

3 is no easier than 2 because the majority of the population of Northern Ireland have no desire to be taken over by the republic and the "democracy loving" Sinn Fein IRA will have to accept that now that they have apparently abondoned the gun and turned to the ballot box. Also when faced with the bill for unity the majority of the people in the republic will vote to leave the North in the United Kingdom.

So the only option is for a tiny handful of extremists to suck it up and accept that their fringe minority desire for a united socialist republic will never happen.

[Rich OC]

Firstly Tigrrr, your questioning the Irishness of people from the North is deeply offensive to me and I am from the South. Secondly the passport is and Irish Passport not a Republic of Ireland Passport, see below. You are just plain wrong ... get over it.



EDIT: Definitely should be mechanisms for Northerners to have a vote in the South. Americans or French living in Dublin can vote in American/French elections. Irish people living in Derry or Belfast should have the right to vote RoI elections.

[Tigrrr]

The passport is issued on behalf of the Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Government of the Republic of Ireland, which makes it a passport of the Republic of Ireland, since that is the only jurisdiction they hold governance over.
Of course, who they decide to give citizenship of the Republic to is another question, but it doesn't move a border.

[st333ve]

So im moving to kerry in 3 months to live perminently in listowel.
Will i all of a sudden magically turn into an irishman?

[Rich OC]

The passport is issued on behalf of the Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Government of the Republic of Ireland, which makes it a passport of the Republic of Ireland, since that is the only jurisdiction they hold governance over.
Of course, who they decide to give citizenship of the Republic to is another question, but it doesn't move a border.

You are just plain wrong. The passport purposely says Ireland, and the Government refers to itself as the Government of Ireland rather than the Republic of Ireland specifically because it wishes to include those in the North. This is deliberate. You will not see any official Government documentation refer to the Government of the Republic of Ireland.

It is also on purpose that you can apply for an Irish Passport through the Post Office in Northern Ireland.

Once again for the record ... you are sooooooo wrong. 8)

[JCSkinner]

Oddly enough, Vito, I was in Tibet last month (see my blog) and went to lake Namtso. By the lake there are indeed caves with ascetics living in them in a small hermitage and tents.
They did indeed accept that I was Irish. I also accepted that they were Tibetan, despite Beijing's claims to the contrary.

Was it Northern Tibet or the Republic of Tibet? One of them is definitely Chinese according to Tgrrr. I envy you your trip, I'd love to go there. As a republican, JC, I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned by the political illiteracy of southerners who have a 1969 view of the politics of the North (that capital N must be relevant, although I don't know why). For the first time in my life I'm starting to look inward and wondering whether we shouldn't try and work out some kind of Northern agreement that the unionists might be more relaxed about. There, I said it. Don't tell my mates.

It was occupied Tibet. All too occupied. They're importing Chinese by the thousands to wipe out the indigenous population's culture.
I wrote about it here:
http://skinflicks.blogspot.com/2007/...-to-tibet.html
Now, having been told to 'go home' or similar terms way too often by bolshy goons in Dublin (many of whom had been in the capital a lot less time than I had) I've often thought that the political sensibilities of many Southerners in relation to the North was at best undeveloped and at worst beyond ignorant.
The breathtaking level of ignorance (British Isles, Republic of Ireland passport, etc) of this thread is merely indicative of the depth of knowledge some people in the South have.
The bottom line is that unification of some sort will come, partly as a result of the cost to Britain of maintaining their puppet colony, partly as a result of economic synergies on the island and partly as a result of the heat leaving the politics with the conflict and deaths receding.
In the interim, trust must be created, not only within the North, but between North and South.
Too many of them see us as gun-toting psychos. I see too many of them as failing to understand that their freedoms and economic well-being was bought at the cost of our occupation.
The education of neo-partitionists like this trolling fella is part of that trust-building process, I guess. Unfortunately some people are very slow learners.

[Tigrrr]

blagh

It is a passport issued by the Government of the Republic of Ireland to include anyone they wish as citizens of that Republic. It doesn't change any borders, or negate the fact that Northern Ireland is not the territory of the Republic of Ireland - in fact while it endorses someone's right to apply and obtain an Irish passport, the population of the Republic of Ireland has voted overwhelmingly to remove the Republic's claim on the UK territory contained on the island.

It is the same as issuing irish Americans with passports. It doesn't mean there is any irish jurisdiction on the American continent.

A good analogy is Israel. All "native" Jews are entitled to Israeli citizenship. In this context, they are comparable to the Northern irish non-nationals who apply, from abroad, for citizenship of the Republic of Ireland and (automatically) obtain it. I can't really understand the Israeli claim, but the Northern Ireland claim confuses me just as much.

So your avatar is quite interesting from that perspective.

[merle haggard]

tigerr get a passport , get on a plane and fukk off somewhere far away from here so we dont have to read your crap again

[Tigrrr]

I'm not sure that you understand the concept of the world wide web

[JCSkinner]

Don't feed the troll, Merle.