Don't you just love it?

[Sonny]

Ex-prisoner presses SF on 'cooperation'

(Seamus McKinney, Irish News)

A former IRA prisoner has called on the leadership of the republican movement to state if information about the Troubles should be passed to the police Historic Enquiries Team (HET).

Derry man Brian McFadden (54) called on Sinn Féin's Martin McGuinness and the leadership of the IRA to clarify the issue.

A son of veteran Derry republican Barney McFadden, Mr McFadden jnr and three of his brothers are former republican prisoners.

Barney McFadden, who died in December 2001, served as a Sinn Féin councillor on Derry City Council for 12 years.

Last year Mr McFadden jnr accused Sinn Féin leaders of moving away from their roots, claiming a growing number of former prisoners were unhappy with the direction being taken. In particular, he expressed fear that the party was preparing to join the Policing Board.

As Sinn Féin unveiled its three nominations to the board, Mr McFadden again raised the issue in an open question to Mr McGuinness.

"As an ex-IRA volunteer, I would like to ask Martin McGuinness – British MP, future second minister for the occupied six counties and ex-IRA volunteer – and P O'Neill IRA, are they asking all ex-IRA volunteers to give their full cooperation to the RUC/PSNI?

"Should we provide the historical crime unit with information about others and their own past activities that this unit would deem to have been illegal?"

Mr McFadden said if this was the case, Mr McGuinness and the IRA leadership should "lead the way" by cooperating with police and providing information about past activities.

"A prompt and public response would be appreciated to avoid confusion about what is expected of all ex-volunteers and ex-PoWs," he said.

Asked about cooperating with the HET, a spokesman for Sinn Féin said only that the party's position on policing was "very, very clear" and had been highlighted on numerous occasions by leading party figures.

"Brian McFadden does not take his direction from Sinn Féin any more. Let him go to those who are giving him his advice. He does not support us or listen to us; why would he take direction from us?," he said.

A spokeswoman for the HET said it would welcome "any development which would help bring greater resolution to the families of those who died during the Troubles".

April 26, 2007
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[McCann]

I don't believe Sinn Féin need to make any further statements or continue answering individual questions from Unionists or dissident Republicans. They have made their position very clear and any questions regarding it are just nit-picking. It is up to the individual to either go to the police or not, for whatever alleged crime or information they wish.

If some Republicans want to remain as is, they so be and I respect it, but I don't believe it to be helping the Republican cause. Yes certain things are hard do to, but you can't make an omelette without smashing a few eggs.

[merle haggard]

Your seriously trying to convince republicans that being a tout for the British police ( or making an omelette as you call it , too ashamed to say the words ?) is helping the republican cause ?
While your own limited intelligence in making this suggestion is your own misfortunate affair insulting others intelligence is unacceptable .

[Sonny]

I don't believe Sinn Féin need to make any further statements or continue answering individual questions from Unionists or dissident Republicans. They have made their position very clear

That’s a fact: “Republicans are prepared to work on an executive. We are really prepared to administer British rule in Ireland for the foreseeable future. The very principle of partition is accepted, and if the unionists had had that in the 1920s they would have been laughing” --- Francie Molloy (Sunday Times [Irish Edition], March 28, 1998).

and any questions regarding it are just nit-picking.

Oh right…your Vichy Irish are above reproach. LOL!

It is up to the individual to either go to the police or not, for whatever alleged crime or information they wish.

So the Provo leadership will understand if we turn them all in (in the cause of “… being really prepared to administer British rule in Ireland").

If some Republicans want to remain as is, they so be and I respect it, but I don't believe it to be helping the Republican cause.

What part of administering British rule in Ireland is Irish Republican?

Yes certain things are hard do to

And like treason should never be done.

but you can't make an omelette without smashing a few eggs.

Said the Bolshevek to the Menshevek. Classic Stalinist thinking.

"Brian McFadden does not take his direction from Sinn Féin any more. Let him go to those who are giving him his advice.”

This Provo just can’t comprehend someone thinking for himself.

He does not support us or listen to us; why would he take direction from us?," he said.

Err…he wouldn’t. He was just obviously asking rhetorical questions to point out the treasonous cross roads the Provos have driven us all to.

[Seánod]

I saw the article on Brian McFadden's comments. This was something that vexed myself during the whole policing debate, that even if Sinn Féin went along with it there would be further and deeper consequences as the situation developed, and the question that Brian McFadden raises is a valid one.

However, at the same time, let's be honest... it's not as if this is a case of genuine concern. Even the whole way the questions are posed are about stirring up the feelings of ordinary republicans, even though to the best of my knowledge there is no big push from Sinn Féin to get republicans to come forward and tell the PSNI everything that happened over the last 30 years. This is about taking a genuinely valid question, and using it to stir.

[McCann]

Your seriously trying to convince republicans that being a tout for the British police ( or making an omelette as you call it , too ashamed to say the words ?) is helping the republican cause ?
While your own limited intelligence in making this suggestion is your own misfortunate affair insulting others intelligence is unacceptable .

I’m not trying to “convince” republicans of anything nor have I claimed to do such, nor will I stoop to your childish name-calling over the internet. I have much more important things in my life.

So the Provo leadership will understand if we turn them all in (in the cause of “… being really prepared to administer British rule in Ireland").

I don’t speak for the “Provo leadership”, their opinion is there to be read without me reiterating it.

And like treason should never be done.

I disagree and will leave it at that as my opinion is here to be read.

What part of administering British rule in Ireland is Irish Republican?

I dare say the people who say as such are accepting jobs in British institutions, being entertained by British television, enjoying British sports and clothing, putting their money into British stores and businesses and, since this is the internet, signing on and getting money from the British government.

It’s 2007. Killing and bombing are not the answer. So Republicans don’t join the police board. Unionists get the jobs, and we’re back to having the RUC. Oh yes, Unionists, the people who don’t exist, or some might believe so. If we sit and do nothing, unionist rule ensues. If we do something, we have our voice heard and can change things. It’s not 1920 anymore.

Said the Bolshevek to the Menshevek. Classic Stalinist thinking.

Democratic 21st century thinking.

[merle haggard]

I’m not trying to “convince” republicans of anything nor have I claimed to do such, nor will I stoop to your childish name-calling over the internet. I have much more important things in my life.

like making an omelette , or touting as its traditionally referred to ?


[quote:11ks93je]I dare say the people who say as such are accepting jobs in British institutions, being entertained by British television, enjoying British sports and clothing, putting their money into British stores and businesses and, since this is the internet, signing on and getting money from the British government.

its a wonder Martin and Gerry didnt classify them all as legitimate targets years ago

[quote:11ks93je]It’s 2007. Killing and bombing are not the answer.

the answer to what ? The illegal foreign occupation of our country ? Whats the question your even looking an answer to ?
The so called neutral party Mr Tony Blair believes very firmly in bombing and killing on a massive scale . But provo hypocrites have no problem kissing his ass on a regular basis .

So Republicans don’t join the police board. Unionists get the jobs, and we’re back to having the RUC. Oh yes, Unionists, the people who don’t exist, or some might believe so. If we sit and do nothing, unionist rule ensues. If we do something, we have our voice heard and can change things. It’s not 1920 anymore

its not the era of Sunningdale either but we've been here before with the stoops . What is it your looking to change anyway ? The style of the uniform ?

Democratic 21st century thinking

[/quote:11ks93je][/quote:11ks93je]

constitutional nationalist thinking

[Sonny]

I saw the article on Brian McFadden's comments. This was something that vexed myself during the whole policing debate, that even if Sinn Féin went along with it there would be further and deeper consequences as the situation developed, and the question that Brian McFadden raises is a valid one.

So it is a case of genuine concern.

However, at the same time, let's be honest... it's not as if this is a case of genuine concern.

Wait, didn’t you just say otherwise?

Even the whole way the questions are posed are about stirring up the feelings of ordinary republicans,

The questions are posed to stir up critical thinking about our rulers.

even though to the best of my knowledge there is no big push from Sinn Féin to get republicans to come forward and tell the PSNI everything that happened over the last 30 years.

You mean no big push yet. Provo-Sinn Fein has stepped out onto a slippery slope. It’ll only be a matter of time before they join the Brit State forces in jailing and harassing genuine Irish Republicans.

This is about taking a genuinely valid question, and using it to stir.

Your fear of “ordinary” Republicans is palpable.

[Sonny]

I don’t speak for the “Provo leadership”, their opinion is there to be read without me reiterating it.

Right…you just defend and echo what they say and do.

I disagree and will leave it at that as my opinion is here to be read.

Harrumphing is not an argument. This is how I’m defining treason: the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery. How do you define it? And what’s the difference between what Provo-Sinn Fein have done signing up to British rule versus what Vichy France did signing up to German rule?

I dare say the people who say as such are accepting jobs in British institutions, being entertained by British television, enjoying British sports and clothing, putting their money into British stores and businesses and, since this is the internet, signing on and getting money from the British government.

Then they don’t mean what they say.

It’s 2007. Killing and bombing are not the answer.

I never said it was. But if you are a genuine Irish Republican then passive rejection and resistance are the answer. In fact, it's an obligation.

So Republicans don’t join the police board.

Err…genuine Irish Republicans don’t join British police boards.

Unionists get the jobs, and we’re back to having the RUC.

What do you mean “back to having the RUC”? They’ve never left.

Oh yes, Unionists, the people who don’t exist, or some might believe so.

Sure they exist…as the British gerrymandered “majority” to ensure Brit occupation & rule.

If we sit and do nothing, unionist rule ensues.

If you stop drinking the PSF kool-aid, you’ll stop thinking in their artificially binary terms.

If we do something, we have our voice heard and can change things.

There are many ways to do things and have your voices heard without selling your soul like the Vichy French did.

It’s not 1920 anymore.

No, it’s roughly about 1974 all over again.

Democratic 21st century thinking.

Vladimir Lenin would be proud to hear you say so.

[McCann]

Right…you just defend and echo what they say and do.

Of course, surely I’m entitled an opinion, that doesn’t make me liable to be their voice on the internet.

Harrumphing is not an argument. This is how I’m defining treason: the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery. How do you define it? And what’s the difference between what Provo-Sinn Fein have done signing up to British rule versus what Vichy France did signing up to German rule?

Now I was gonna sit here and answer everything you’ve put to me, but I really don‘t see the point, I and other Republicans who happen to agree with Sinn Féin are not the enemy. We all believe in the same goal: reunification of this country. This anti-SF and Republican split is nonsense, we can have different opinions and views on how Irish unity and independence can be brought about, Republicans have a choice. They can go and vote for RSF or independent Republicans/Nationalists, or, they can vote for Sinn Féin, as their views are clear and their mandate know that. There’s really nothing more to it than that.