More Questions for British Army and RUC Over Sectarian Murder Campaign

[dresden8]

Well said and true.

Hmmm. So government sponsored and protected murders are ok.

Just once we know. Maybe next time they'll decide you're an enemy of the state.

Good luck with that one.

[Portstewart]

Hmmm. So government sponsored and protected murders are ok.

Just once we know. Maybe next time they'll decide you're an enemy of the state.

Good luck with that one.

In the cases of Gibralter and Loughgall, it was most certainly ok.

[picador]

What they were doing was ending the 'war'.

They ran down the IRA to such a degree with agents that they had nowhere to go but the negotiating table, 9 out of 10 IRA operations were botched by the last few years of the troubles.

They also tried to influence loyalist targetting towards republicans rather than innocent Catholics, with reasonable success in the late 80s and early 90s, with the same end as above.

I draw your attention to the OP. Civilians all.

[picador]

I'm not saying I'm perfectly comfortable with it either, but a cold hard appraisal of it and it's pretty clear what they were trying to do. You can't compare it to a drugs war situation, it was well beyond anything like that.

The British gov't clearly had no idea NI was going to go the way it did in the late 60s, they were caught completely unawares and their initial interventions proved disastrous and it spiralled out of control further into the mid 70s.

After that, slowly but surely they got to grips with it, and through well placed agents by the 80s and 90s they were able to run it down and end it.

It goes against every concept of civilised behaviour you say and you'd have a point, but what was the alternative let it fester on with the whole society stuck in a miserable hopeless situation?

They had a duty to their citizens to end the bloody thing, the IRA regarded it as a war and were fighting dirty, the British were always going to have to get their hands dirty to end it.

An eloquent defence of state-sanctioned murder.

[Portstewart]

I draw your attention to the OP. Civilians all.

There is no proof British intelligence had a hand in either, neither is there any good reason why they would have sanctioned either event.

[Portstewart]

An eloquent defence of state-sanctioned murder.

The IRA had to be stopped, simple as that.

Did you regard it as a war pic?

[dresden8]

The IRA had to be stopped, simple as that.

Did you regard it as a war pic?

No matter how many innocent British civilians the British government had to murder?

Was the British government at war with it's own innocent civilians? Of all hues, including loyalist protestants?

Do you consider innocent loyalist protestant victims of British government sponsored IRA murder squads necessary "collateral damage"?

One can only consider that if you do there is something seriously wrong with you.

[picador]

There is no proof British intelligence had a hand in either, neither is there any good reason why they would have sanctioned either event.

We know they were deeply involved in manipulating the UDA/UFF at the time. They played God with people's lives. That is amoral.

At the very least the British Army has a moral obligation to explain to Mrs Walsh in detail why they did not (or could not) intervene in her son's murder?

With regard to the bookie's massacre the RUC SB - which was under the overall direction of MI5) has many many questions to answer not the least of which were why the gun was returned, why it wasn't monitored and why Man A was not considered a suspect?

[picador]

And so the bigot returns

The BA does not answer to picatroll

The surveillance team was too far away to prevent the murder.
They didn't intervene presumably because they were too far away.
Wrong information probably because of distance and a genuine mistake but hey dont let that get in your way we all know how soldiers in cars are treated in West Belfast

Could you explain to me what is bigoted about this thread? Do you find mention of murders carried out by loyalists bigoted? Or is it just mention of the abject failure of the state to protect its citizens which offends you?

[picador]

The IRA had to be stopped, simple as that.

Your logic is that of the end justifies the means. You are an unashamed supporter of murder.