Soldier survives booby-trap car bombing in Bangor

[Scipio]

I didn't agree with the original statement, either.

But, and this isn't ideological at all, I believe Ireland (and Britain) were both settled in the early mesolithic by various early tribes. I think it's these people that are the basis of the Fomorian, Firbolg, and Tuatha Dé Danann stories. Then eventually (maybe 600BC?) we have the Milesians arriving from Spain, probably Galicia. These are the Gaels, but I wonder if what we think of as Gaelic isn't really the result of the mixing pot on the island at the time.

At any rate the migration of Gaels between Ireland and Scotland was from Ireland to Scotland.

Genetic studies conducted on the issue would agree with that too. There is no evidence to suggest (such as I can see) that people came from Britain to Ireland first, or vice-versa. Rather immigration to both areas took place on a roughly equivalent time scale.

The scientists concluded that ‘the Irish’ genetic makeup stems from the onset of an ice-age around 15,000 years ago that forced prehistoric man back into Spain, Italy and Greece, which were still fairly temperate. When the ice started melting again around 12,000 years ago, people followed the retreating ice northwards as areas became hospitable again.

The TCD study produced a map of Europe with contours linking places that are genetically similar. One contour goes around the edge of the Atlantic touching Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and includes Galicia in Spain as well as the Basque region.

The Irish – more Spanish than Celtic?

The Spanish Armada myth is thought to have been a corruption of a story based on the Milesians, the purported descendants of Míl Espáine (Latin Miles Hispaniae, "Soldier of Hispania", later pseudo-Latinised as "Milesius"), speculated to represent Celtic-speaking peoples from the western Iberian peninsula who began to migrate to Ireland and Britain in the fifth century B.C. Genetic research shows a strong similarity between the Y chromosome haplotypes of males from northwestern Spain and northern Portugal and Irish men with Gaelic surnames. There is a significant difference between peoples of the west and the east of Ireland, in that much of those from the west owe less of their DNA to Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian populations. Genetic marker R1b reaches frequencies as high as 98% in northwestern Ireland and 95% in southwestern Ireland, but drops to 73% in northeastern Ireland and 85% in southeastern Ireland. Additionally, R1b averages between 90% and 95% in Y chromosomes of the Basques of northern Spain (and southwestern France), considerably greater than levels of the same haplogroup found amongst the remaining Spanish genepool, where it varies from region to region in a range from 42% to 75%, but mostly with percentages in the 50s and 60s

The Black Irish

[dv-drummer]

Aren't Celtic peoples supposed to have originated somewhere in central mainland Europe ? Forgive my ignorance on the issue but I think I remember reading something about somewhere called the Hallstatt region ?

[SevenStars]

Aren't Celtic peoples supposed to have originated somewhere in central mainland Europe ? Forgive my ignorance on the issue but I think I remember reading something about somewhere called the Hallstatt region ?

The term celtic is a pretty vague one and refers more to a culture or sets of closely related cultures than an actual biological group.

[Young Ned]

Aren't Celtic peoples supposed to have originated somewhere in central mainland Europe ? Forgive my ignorance on the issue but I think I remember reading something about somewhere called the Hallstatt region ?

They were all over Europe, and one of Rome's chief adversaries, but they did migrate to Britain and Ireland, and there are Iberian Celts.

[Cruimh]

Scipio - the Starling thing from Killarney Ireland misquotes McEvoy

You need to read the parent Article ...... which was based on 200 DNA samples.

[johndodger]

More trolling John?

I think I'll put you back on ignore - you are boring now.

Well as the IRA is based in the British Isles of course it is Geographically British

As regards the nationality and citizenship of the terrorists you mentioned - I haven't seen their passports. No idea if they are Irish Nationals - as is their right - or British Nationals. Won't save them on the day of Judgement.

How exactly am I trolling, Criumh? Please explain?

You proved that I was correct and that British Citizen was wrong i.e. that the IRA are British. You agreed with me. British Citizen maintains that they are not and that I am a "dump paddy".

All citizens of NI are British therefore so are Adams, McGuinness etc. What does nationality have to do with "being saved"? All criminals and those who support/supported them will no doubt pay for their sins on the day of judgement.

If you make an allegation about me at least have the decency to back it up and to answer my questions, such as "Do you condone British Citizens use of racist and insulting language?"

Ignore me if you wish by all means; it matters not a jot to me old bean. It just proves that you cannot win the arguments I make.

[Risteard]

Won't save them on the day of Judgement.

Misspelling the proud name of County Derry won't save you from the Hellfire.

[Cruimh]

Misspelling the proud name of County Derry won't save you from the Hellfire.

LOL - County - British Name, British Concept

You bloggers in the green banana republic are still run on your British heritage

[The Caped Cod]

Why would you say that chum ?

Is there something wrong with what I said ?

AN odd response to a straight forward question. You asked why people kept talking about British citizenship, I asked if you weren't mixing it up with references to the poster British Citizen.
You seem a little defensive, chum, when you weren't being challenged at all.

[Young Ned]

LOL - County - British Name, British Concept

You bloggers in the green banana republic are still run on your British heritage

Weren't the counties actually formed along the old tuatha anyway? It's not as if they were created from whole cloth.