After Saville - What Price Justice for Victims of Other British Army Shootings?

[Amach na Casca]

This is proof that BC is really a SF/IRA plant...who else would come up with the rubbish he spouts? Only someone on their payroll would try and defend mass murder of innocents. Let's hope he keeps running his mouth. (We all know he will).

You obviously haven't been listening to Gregory Campbell and plenty of other unionist politicians for that matter. There are clearly a number of unionists with this mentality.

[Goldfinger2010]

You obviously haven't been listening to Gregory Campbell and plenty of other unionist politicians for that matter. There are clearly a number of unionists with this mentality.

Quite true, BC is just the most prolific.

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BBC News - Families call for inquiry into 1971 Ballymurphy deaths

[JoseyWhales]

Im sure this thread has been taking notice of by the republicans this 'British Citizen' is trying to expose(poorly), lets see him post up his own details and see how brave is he then, I wont hold my breath.

Let us see him post the details of the Loyalist scum who molest children, shoot innocent men and women dead in cold blood and sell drugs to the poorest communities they claim to represent.

Your just an internet warrior cara, using this site to make yourself out to be a tough, wonder when these bad bad republicans are face to face with you how tough you'll be then. Sin E

[British Citizen]

Im sure this thread has been taking notice of by the republicans this 'British Citizen' is trying to expose(poorly), lets see him post up his own details and see how brave is he then, I wont hold my breath.

Let us see him post the details of the Loyalist scum who molest children, shoot innocent men and women dead in cold blood and sell drugs to the poorest communities they claim to represent.

Your just an internet warrior cara, using this site to make yourself out to be a tough, wonder when these bad bad republicans are face to face with you how tough you'll be then. Sin E

Think you've got the wrong thread ae charra!

Doh!!

[Sébastien de Valmont]

The Ballymurphy, Springfield and New Lodge incidents happened during a firefight between IRA gunmen and the British Army.

There was an actual firefight and with gunmen blazing away at the soldiers and civilians ducking and diving for cover or looking our their windows and doors to see what was going, it is no suprise that civilians were killed in the cross fire or mistaken for gunmen.

Especially as at least one of those incidents happened at night when it is very hard to tell a guerilla fighter from a civilian in an urban areas with shots fired from nooks or crannies and any movement could be interpreted as hostile.

The shootings in Derry on Bloody Sunday were entirely different.

There were no gunmen firing at the soldiers in the area of Rossville Flats or Glenfada Park and the soldiers who fired the shots, particularly Lance Corporal F, Corporal E and Soldier G and H who were responsible for wounding and killing most of the victims, deliberately targetted innocent civilians.

There is no comparison between Bloody Sunday and any other incident in which the British Army were actually engaged in a REAL firefight with IRA men.

Stop confusing the two.

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The Ballymurphy, Springfield and New Lodge incidents happened during a firefight between IRA gunmen and the British Army.

There was an actual firefight and with gunmen blazing away at the soldiers and civilians ducking and diving for cover or looking our their windows and doors to see what was going, it is no suprise that civilians were killed in the cross fire or mistaken for gunmen.

Especially as at least one of those incidents happened at night when it is very hard to tell a guerilla fighter from a civilian in an urban areas with shots fired from nooks or crannies and any movement could be interpreted as hostile.

The shootings in Derry on Bloody Sunday were entirely different.

There were no gunmen firing at the soldiers in the area of Rossville Flats or Glenfada Park and the soldiers who fired the shots, particularly Lance Corporal F, Corporal E and Soldier G and H who were responsible for wounding and killing most of the victims, deliberately targetted innocent civilians.

There is no comparison between Bloody Sunday and any other incident in which the British Army were actually engaged in a REAL firefight with IRA men.

Stop confusing the two.

You will recall the British Army claimed they were in a firefight at Bloody Sunday too.

[code twinkle]

I think you misunderstood me. I am implying that we will never know the truth regarding IRA activity, Loyalist activity so why should the British Army offer itself up as the sacrificial lamb when the two main players wont?

Because the British Army are State actors, they continue to be given the resources and the eligibility to kill and thus their legitimacy can only continue on the basis that they will operate within the law and when they don't that they will be held accountable - the others* were and are criminals. That's why.


*(assuming of course that Loyalism was not just a front for the British military which I don't)

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An article in today's Observer highlights the fact that up to 150 killings carried out by the British Army in the early years of the Troubles were not adequately investigated.

Saville inquiry: Over 150 killings by soldiers during Troubles in Northern Ireland never fully investigated | UK news | The Guardian

The Ballymurphy killings of 9th-11th August 1971 were a case in point

Were Bloody Sunday soldiers involved in 'Ballymurphy massacre'?

Worth noting that one of the families mentioned in Henry McDoanld's article received a belated apology from the IRA as the result of another act of appalling brutality.

[Goldfinger2010]

An article in today's Observer highlights the fact that up to 150 killings carried out by the British Army in the early years of the Troubles were not adequately investigated.

Saville inquiry: Over 150 killings by soldiers during Troubles in Northern Ireland never fully investigated | UK news | The Guardian

The Ballymurphy killings of 9th-11th August 1971 were a case in point

Were Bloody Sunday soldiers involved in 'Ballymurphy massacre'?

I read that article also, pretty interesting. It lays out the specifics of "why" to the "what" which everyone already knew...that brit soldiers were getting away with murder...literally...because of, essentially, collusion between the military and the peelers.