MI5 and Omagh - The Bomb to End All Bombs?

[mutley]

Intemperate as ever and more interested in petty point scoring than debating the issue in hand.

Kieran Doherty was a victim of the RIRA's 'internal security' or whatever you want to call it.

Why has an organisation, which is attempting to shift the blame for one of its disastrous operations onto the enemy's intelligence services , failed to expose more than one enemy agent - i.e. David Rupert - within its ranks?

Wrong I was trying to debate the issue at hand specifically the issue you had raised about, the lack of RIRA informers being shot dead.
How do you know that he ws a victim of internal security?, is drug dealing an internal security matter? I only ask because you were alledging that he was murdered for being a drug dealer, do you no longer believe this?

Are you trying to claim that there are no informers in the RIRA? Look how long it took for major informers within the PIRA to be exposed

[tiocfaidh]

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I agree. But to pin the blame for Omagh on David Rupert is far too convenient.

I agree, assuming you meant to include the word "alone" after the word "Rupert". Again, I go back to the problem with simplicity. To simply blame Rupert is wrong. To simply blame MI5 is wrong. But to acknowledge that it was an inflitrated group and that various members of the group, both spy and non-spy, were involved with the bomb is probably correct. The blame would be on them as well as on the Brit government for deciding to let the thing go off.

[Kev408]

Whatever about the bombers trying to deflect blame for Omagh how does the genius Picador explain why the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee (an appointed cross-party group of British MPs) is demanding further investigation into the whole sordid MI5 f*ck-up. Could it be that some Brit MPs actually give a damn about the avoidable deaths of their own citizens?

[tiocfaidh]

Why has an organisation, which is attempting to shift the blame for one of its disastrous operations onto the enemy's intelligence services , failed to expose more than one enemy agent - i.e. David Rupert - within its ranks?

I don't think RIRA is presenting it as a rogue operation that was planned and executed solely by it's inflitrated elements. If that were the case your question would be valid. But RIRA is not saying that. They are saying that they had at least one infiltrated member which enabled the Brits to know what was going on, and that the Brits not only allowed it to go off, but herded people towards it or disregarded earlier clear warnings in order to maximize fatalities. RIRA wants to claim that it was intended to cause damage but not widespread death, just like most PIRA bombs. RIRA wants to say, "Yes, we planned and executed the bomb, but the Brits are responsible for the fact that so many died." I'm not saying that that's not a cop-out, but that is the RIRA position, as far as I know.

[Portstewart]

How exactly did the 'Brits let it go off'?

[Boiled Oysters Malloy]

How exactly did the 'Brits let it go off'?

Try re-reading the thread again and then get back to us.

[Portstewart]

Try re-reading the thread again and then get back to us.

I have read it.

Did the 'Brits' give the innacurate and confusing location of the bomb over the phone at very short notice?

[SevenStars]

Seriously, take a step back and have a cold, hard look at your post.

One of the world's leading democracies allowing 28 of it's own civilians to be killed just to make dissident Republicans look bad?

You cannot seriously believe that, can you???

What about bloody friday where as The Sunday Times revealed a few months later the British state deliberately ignored warning for the sake of a propaganda coup?

[Boiled Oysters Malloy]

I have read it.

Did the 'Brits' give the innacurate and confusing location of the bomb over the phone at very short notice?

How the hell could they have been confused about the location of the bomb when they were tracking it by satellite?

Seriously, 15 years ago if people pointed out that Dennis Donaldson and several top provos were British agents, idiots like Picanose would come out with "That's impossible! blah blah blah conspiracy theorist"

[Portstewart]

What about bloody friday where as The Sunday Times revealed a few months later the British state deliberately ignored warning for the sake of a propaganda coup?

So the Brits knew the locations of the 20 bombs and just let the whole lot of them go off then did they?

Are there any Republican atrocities (apart from the ones they are proud of obviously) that weren't actually the fault of the Brits, Im beginning to wonder....