MI5 and Omagh - The Bomb to End All Bombs?

[SevenStars]

I don't think there'll ever be peace in Northern Ireland while people like you (and it seems there are, unbelievably, many more) believe these conspiracy theories.

If you honestly believe the British government would plan and plant a bomb in a British town to kill almost 30 of it's own civilians then God knows what else you believe. And if you believe all these ludicrous conspiracies then chances are you'll also support an 'army' who claims to take on this ruthless, murdering government.

My head is in my hands...

I believe that probably the vast, vast majiority of Ulster Unionists are basically decent but misguided human beings but I know that the British state is utterly ruthless and murdering.

[picador]

The conspiracy - rather than cock-up - theory necessitates acceptance that the RIRA is no more than a vehicle for the British intelligence services. Any takers for this?

[eoghanacht]

I don't think there'll ever be peace in Northern Ireland while people like you (and it seems there are, unbelievably, many more) believe these conspiracy theories.

If you honestly believe the British government would plan and plant a bomb in a British town to kill almost 30 of it's own civilians then God knows what else you believe. And if you believe all these ludicrous conspiracies then chances are you'll also support an 'army' who claims to take on this ruthless, murdering government.

My head is in my hands...

Pay attention to what your about to read, ok.

I do not support the CIRA, the RIRA nor did i support the PIRA, i do however see why these people feel compelled to take the path their on.

YET I DISAGREE WHOLEHEARTIDLY, with it , OK!! .We will never have UI as long as there are armed factions willing to kill. Do you follow?

Now, if you are so naive to think that british agents in these groups weren't aware of the size of the bomb and it's intended target, then your a fool. The bomb could have been intercepted, it wasn't, why ?

you suggested hundreds of people would have known of the plot, that just shows your ignorance, you could probably count them on one hand.

Now to suggest that the british government is some kind of benevolent force for good in the world, you need to read a bit more.

As we speak thousands of your fellow citizens are stuck in Iraq and they don't have the right equipment, that shows those in whitehall couldn't give a flying ******************** about their own citizens.

Am i suggesting Mi5 planted the bomb, ofcourse not, the RIRA are responsible but you cannot escape the fact that the security forces were monitoring the calls of those who planted it, they could have stopped it, that is what we are saying.

Now, would you please cease from infering that because i object to the presence of a foreign power on Irish soil that that some how equates to support for any armed Republicans, am i being clear enough for you?

[eoghanacht]

I believe that probably the vast, vast majiority of Ulster Unionists are basically decent but misguided human beings but I know that the British state is utterly ruthless and murdering.

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[British Citizen]

Now, if you are so naive to think that british agents in these groups weren't aware of the size of the bomb and it's intended target, then your a fool. The bomb could have been intercepted, it wasn't, why ?

you suggested hundreds of people would have known of the plot, that just shows your ignorance, you could probably count them on one hand.

Am i suggesting Mi5 planted the bomb, ofcourse not, the RIRA are responsible but you cannot escape the fact that the security forces were monitoring the calls of those who planted it, they could have stopped it, that is what we are saying.

1, If the bomb could have been intercepted it would have been. In hindsight, perhaps the security services could have pieced together the different bits of information coming from different sources and different agencies a bit better. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. The people working 24/7 to save lives in Northern Ireland do not have the benefit of it at the time.

2, I said one hundred. And that was referring to everyone who would have needed to be involved from the lowest levels of the police right up to the British government. If you think one dissident Republican tout or his handler have the authority to say who lives or dies then you, my friend, are the ignorant one. Try reading a few books written by insiders in the British security services to actually learn how they really work.

3, If you re-read your post you did state that MI5 planned and planted the bomb. No point trying to deny it when the evidence is only one page back.

[Boiled Oysters Malloy]

The conspiracy - rather than cock-up - theory necessitates acceptance that the RIRA is no more than a vehicle for the British intelligence services. Any takers for this?

Because the provos and loyalists weren't up to their eyeballs with British intelligence agents?

[Boiled Oysters Malloy]

1, If the bomb could have been intercepted it would have been.

Really? What about all those bombings the provos did despite the fact that they were swimming with British intelliegence agents?

Surely the agents and their handlers knew what they were going to do but they never stopped them.

[Jack White]

Try reading a few books written by insiders in the British security services to actually learn how they really work.

''How they really work'' makes no allowance for rogue elements within the security services.

I think it's amazing that you absolutely discount the idea that the British State is capable of that level of underhandedness.

[eoghanacht]

1, If the bomb could have been intercepted it would have been. In hindsight, perhaps the security services could have pieced together the different bits of information coming from different sources and different agencies a bit better. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. The people working 24/7 to save lives in Northern Ireland do not have the benefit of it at the time.

2, I said one hundred. And that was referring to everyone who would have needed to be involved from the lowest levels of the police right up to the British government. If you think one dissident Republican tout or his handler have the authority to say who lives or dies then you, my friend, are the ignorant one. Try reading a few books written by insiders in the British security services to actually learn how they really work.

3, If you re-read your post you did state that MI5 planned and planted the bomb. No point trying to deny it when the evidence is only one page back.

Firstly can i suggest you have a look at my first post, in it i agreed with your post , then i added that Mi5 have a lot to answer for. Now i can see how that might confuse someone like you, but if you have any doubt then please refer to my post where i condemn those who committed this heinous act (RIRA) and those who allowed it happen (british intelligence).

More and more of the truth will out, thanks to the determination of the victims families, we'll see then BC won't we, although the british government are trying to hamper their quest for the truth, hhm i wonder why?

Why would PC plod of the RUC have to know about the bomb ffs, a tout his handler, the handlers superior, its chain of command, i'm sure your familiar with that concept

[picador]

Because the provos and loyalists weren't up to their eyeballs with British intelligence agents?

When did the Provos kill 30 shoppers in one go with the approval of the British government?