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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadjodilo View Post
    More people identify themselves as Irish than British in Northern Ireland according to a new poll in Monday's Belfast Telegraph.

    Over 1000 people were interviewed for the survey.

    BBC News - Irish identity tops new Northern Ireland poll
    I think a lot of the unionists see themselves as Irish and British - as under the GFA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    If you are genuinely in favour of a United Ireland you would not see it as "encouraging". There is no evidence what so ever of people being "bombed, maimed, murdered and terrorised" into changing their identity in this poll or any poll. The implication you gave is that if the majority had declared their identity to be Irish that would be the case. The IRA's campaign ended over a decade ago so you and the blue shirts need to let go of your knee jerk hatred of SF and move on.
    Much easier for you to lash out at a FG supporter (not follower) who says "I told you so", than to openly admit that the policies of SF, intimidation and murder have failed and probably have had a huge negative impact on bringing about a United Ireland.
    Are you not encouraged by the obvious failure of terrorism in subdueing a population? I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absconded View Post
    Much easier for you to lash out at a FG supporter (not follower) who says "I told you so", than to openly admit that the policies of SF, intimidation and murder have failed and probably have had a huge negative impact on bringing about a United Ireland.
    I accept that but if more people still see themselves as Norn' irish or British then this would be "discouraging" no?

    Are you not encouraged by the obvious failure of terrorism in subdueing a population? I am.
    Like I said the campaign by the provos is over and the world has moved on. I doubt that now many people attribute their identity to what the provos did 20 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by absconded View Post
    Encouraging in that 57% of a population have not been bombed, maimed, murdered and terrorised into accepting someone elses narrowminded opinions. I´m all for a United Ireland. But only by consensus.
    The provos and shinner gimps have clearly failed the people of Northern Ireland and those of us who would genuinely like to have seen a United Ireland.
    It's curious then that given that there is already a statistic in the poll showing levels of opposition to a UI (55%), you went ferreting around for a higher figure (57% ==> non-Irish identity) and tried to used that one instead.

    You have every right to your own opinion but if you misrepresent it, you're not doing yourself any favours.

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    35% of people in the six counties want a UI according the pole. 55% want to stay in the UK. Leaving off the 10% that gives roughly a 61/39 split in favour of staying in the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by absconded View Post
    Much easier for you to lash out at a FG supporter (not follower) who says "I told you so", than to openly admit that the policies of SF, intimidation and murder have failed and probably have had a huge negative impact on bringing about a United Ireland.
    Are you not encouraged by the obvious failure of terrorism in subdueing a population? I am.
    The SF/IRA campaign did huge damage to the cause of a UI - there's no doubt about that. However, given the remaining levels of support for a UI, are you not encouraged by the obvious failure of state-sanctioned discrimination in subduing a population?

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    Really depends what way this was worded.....

    Also does not help when the poll was a week before Paddy's day...

    I also know alot of young Kids in mixed communites of Belfast from Catholic families who'd say they were Northern Irish rather then Irish of British... Rory McIlroy being one
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    Quote Originally Posted by absconded View Post
    Much easier for you to lash out at a FG supporter (not follower) who says "I told you so", than to openly admit that the policies of SF, intimidation and murder have failed and probably have had a huge negative impact on bringing about a United Ireland.
    Are you not encouraged by the obvious failure of terrorism in subdueing a population? I am.
    Oh, get down off the high horse ffs, i'm no fan of SF nor of the Provo's but c'mon do you think the orange statelet would now have an assembly with representatives from both communities, fact is most FG'ers like FF would have been quiet happy to look the other way whilst O' Neill and Faulkner allowed the RUC and B-Specials to beat civil rights marchers up and down the roads of Northern Ireland, fact is the provo campaign allowed the main parties in the south to shirk any responsibilty they may have had for the plight of northern nationalists pre '69
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    Quote Originally Posted by eoghanacht View Post
    fact is most FG'ers like FF would have been quiet happy to look the other way whilst O' Neill and Faulkner allowed the RUC and B-Specials toat civil rights marchers up and down the roads of Northern Ireland, fact is the provo campaign allowed the main parties in the south to shirk any responsibilty they may have had for the plight of northern nationalists pre '69
    Good point. Had FG and FF got involved earlier and tried to improve the lot of the Catholics in the North then the campaign by the Provos may not have been so long and and bloody or even happened at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by absconded View Post
    Much easier for you to lash out at a FG supporter (not follower) who says "I told you so", than to openly admit that the policies of SF, intimidation and murder have failed and probably have had a huge negative impact on bringing about a United Ireland.
    Are you not encouraged by the obvious failure of terrorism in subdueing a population? I am.

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