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About LinkBacksYou seen one Loyalist politician from the PUP (a micro party) who also commented on the fact that no Unionist politicians came along.Originally Posted by VFTN
No DUP,TUV or UUP councillors attended.
You seen one Loyalist politician from the PUP (a micro party) who also commented on the fact that no Unionist politicians came along.
No DUP,TUV or UUP councillors attended.
You talk about a small amount of unjustified sectarian parades, but these parades are supported by all Unionist politicians.
The people on the Garvaghy road did not get up at 6 am, they were faced with Orangemen holding up signs saying 'croppies lie down'.
People carrying Billy Wright flags and even people getting murdered.
The problem is thugs going out of their way to inspire sectarianism because they get an almighty power trip from it, the problem is not those who disagree with this.
You can pretend that the OO is some boy scouts movement but the facts state otherwise.
The OO used to be allowed to march down the Garvaghy road, not because of demographics but because the people there who own the homes and businesses and pay the rates - actually allowed them to.
Some residents even let them borrow their instruments and Nationalists used to watch.
At the time the OO used to play church hymns, the residents arnt to blame for the huge thumping war drums and horrible music they play today, nor are they to blame for the Portadown Billy Wright fan club that tag along drunk.
The problem you keep having is that you revert to blaming the Nationalists when these bands are being sectarian, they have no-one to blame but themselves.
The temptation to use these parades as supremist hostile displays to Nationalists is too great for them to pass and the spectacle draws huge crowds.
The Drumcree parade is tiny, no-one bothers going near it unless its forced down the Garvaghy road.
Then Unionist politicians come along skipping over the place in joy and crowds of thousands gather as they see an opportunity to antagonise the residensts.
For some time past the peaceable inhabitants of the parish of Drumcree have been insulted and outraged by large bodies of Orangemen parading the highways, playing party tunes, firing shots and using the most opprobrious epithets they could invent. They have gone a considerable distance out of their way to pass a Catholic chapel on their march to Drumcree church.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/peopl...ts/mckay00.htm
Last edited by st333ve; 22nd March 2010 at 02:10 PM.
Actually, I fúcking despise any side that thinks that 'culture/tradition' or religion allows to act in a way contrary to the public good. I have many friends in the North, from all traditions and what they all have in common is an evolution away from the old nationalist/unionist divide towards recognising that the people who perpetuate the hatred are doing so to preserve whatever esteem or standing they perceive themselves to have, are slightly deranged or are just good old fashioned racist/sectarian.
I hate 'orders' like the Orange Order of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, grouping like these are usually set up to allow people who didnt achieve what they saw as their destiny some measure of self worth in their lives.
Hating the OO or the AOH, finding St. Patricks Day to be smarmy or so on doesnt necessarily stem from bigotry or sectarianism (unless its a blanket dislike or religion, which in my case it is).
To answer your question though, two wrongs dont make a right and I usually ignore posters who engage in whataboutery - read my signature below to understand my view.
No matter what you think of yourself, the moment you try to justify the murder of an innocent with idealism, no matter what that ideal might be, you take your place on the side of evil and all your claims to virtue are as naught.
I would totally oppose any Republican march through a Unionist area, I dont see any double standards here atall.
Any creepy cult like the Catholic Church, the Orange Order or anything that involves a pack of weirdo's dressing up and brainwashing people - should be detached from society.
Its 2010, my opinions arnt sectarian they are totally ordinary and I dont believe many people outside of northern Ireland or Texas would disagree with me.
The problem is with people who view the abnormal as normal.
I dont mind fun parades and marching, like St.Patricks day or Gay pride.
Theyre a bit of a laugh, I have a problem with sinsiter military marches and people celebrating wars - andtheir reasons for holding such parades.
Last edited by st333ve; 22nd March 2010 at 02:17 PM.
Loyalist marches are not about public antagonism. People enjoy the music and enjoy the culture. Yes, they are a celebration of unionism but they don't make any bones about it. The bit that irks me is that St Patrick's day is always portrayed as a day of inclusivity when in all reality Orangemen are more tolerant of Catholic obervers than nasty republican louts are of Protestants.
I respect this aspect of your opinion, but, you see, this is the part of Republican opinion I do not get. What exactly is wrong with honouring those who fought so bravely in the wars against tyranny? Especially local men, both Catholic and Protestant who answered the call and died for their country. Don't forget that many nationalists perished in the war for Home Rule. I think the likes of the UVF/IVF from that time period should be celebrated for their willingness to fight for their cause within the confines of international law. Especially in the context of a selfish, self centred modern society with little time for a cause.
No troops from that era march through our streets, the battle of the Boyne reinforced penal laws against non Anglicans.
Nothing positive to celebrate here.
I dont want illegal war collaborators getting cheered on through Belfast, what kind of message does that send out to kids?
Your rhetoric and buzzphrases might sound good, but Republicans arnt interested in celebrating wars.
Theyre horrible evil nasty things that should only be commemorated, head bowed and respect shown.
British people show far too much pride in military might, its a culture that is not respected by those who have faced the rough end of it.
Dancing around a Catholic neighbourhood with tin whistles and war drums is not respecting anything or anyone, no matter how you spin it.
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What complete and utter lies.
99% of Unionists in Northern Ireland don't even know what 'croppies lie down' means. I've studied Ireland and The Troubles since the early 1990s and only just came across the phrase a few months ago for the first time.
There is not a chance of someone holding up a sign saying 'croppies lie down' because there's probably not an Orangeman in Portadown who has ever heard of the phrase.
Yet again, St333ve, you've exposed yourself as a total liar.
eh, i just did. see the part about condemning sectarian or terrorist supporting chanting?
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What does the U stand for in PUP? Completely bizaree that you're trying to claim a PUP councillor isn't a unionist politician.
The reason most unionist politicians (and the majority of their voters) stay away from places like Belfast city centre is because it's a tricolour fest on the 17th March.
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