Kick the Pope?

[eoghanacht]

No worries.

As for the Unionists in the Dail - I am nowhere near the most fervent Loyalist in Northern Ireland and I would never entertain accepting 100% Dublin rule in Northern Ireland. Obviously the tens of thousands of other Loyalists who would be even more staunch in their beliefs than me would not accept it either.

If nationalists in Northern Ireland are still crowing about a United Ireland in another 30 years after a generation of peace re-partition and the moving of the border closer to Belfast will become a likely scenario.

So why the objections to a Republic? You stated ealier in the thread that N.i would go it alone if the U.K disintergrated.

So is that not anti-irish? a willingness to cut your own nose off for want of a better phrase, rather than enter into a repunlic with southeners?

You can't blame the provo's, the Ulster Covenant was signed before the I.R.A was established nevermind the provo's.

You harp on about being non sectarian which i'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you cannot hide your hatred of everything Irish. It's manifested itself again and again on this thread.

[Almanac]

What do you mean by 'you guys'?

Are you calling me sectarian?

Faux outrage. Ejemplo n 1

[Almanac]

You're bordering on the offensive young man. Any further and I'll report your posts.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me but at least have the decency to debate the points instead of name calling.

:mrgreen: Y ejemplo n 2

[Almanac]

OOmpa-loompas - little orange trolls.



Check out the precision formation - no shoddy fenian footwork in sight.

+ 1

[Almanac]

But British Citizen I now realise that you are not Ifor Bach/Pogon and there I ask you to forgive me for that accusation.

No, he's even worse. Formely known as Terry666, Kalif and Tactics among other successive incarnations.

[centauro]

1916 was not a rebellion against unionists.

It was an illegal rebellion against my country.

The OO on the other hand was created specifically to oppose Irish Catholics.

The Orange Order was created to oppose the Catholic Church.

By all means parade and enjoy yourselves but don't be surprised when Irish Catholics don't join in this particular brand of festivities.

Thanks very much, just leave us to get on with it then, nobody is asking for anything more.

As for the soilders song whatabouterry so what? it's a dirge. Does that excuse the Billy Boys in your eyes ?

Well, yes. It pretty much does excuse it. Republicans spent the last 40 years trying to bomb and shoot is into a state which has a highly offensive national anthem. Get the beam out of your eye before you start moaning about a football chant.

[Almanac]

The Orange Order was created to oppose the Catholic Church.

You'll have to forgive the billion + Catholics outside Ireland for not noticing.

[oboe]

It was an illegal rebellion against my country.



The Orange Order was created to oppose the Catholic Church.



Thanks very much, just leave us to get on with it then, nobody is asking for anything more.



Well, yes. It pretty much does excuse it. Republicans spent the last 40 years trying to bomb and shoot is into a state which has a highly offensive national anthem. Get the beam out of your eye before you start moaning about a football chant.

The Orange Order are direct descendents of the Peep o day boys and it was established to oppose Irish Catholics directly.

You defend the violent hatred in the 'Billy Boys' lyrics yet still expect Protestant bands to be allowed to march whereever they like.
Cant you see why nationalists might tar the Order with a sectarian brush when some people have an attitude like that.
As I said, march if you need to but open your own eyes as to why some Irish Catholics may feel the need to oppose people with your attitude

[centauro]

The Orange Order are direct descendents of the Peep o day boys and it was established to oppose Irish Catholics directly.

That was 250 years ago, we have moved along a bit since then. Are you suggesting that the Orange Order is still organising dawn raids on Catholics homes, or that individaul catholics are being targeted at lodge meetings?

You defend the violent hatred in the 'Billy Boys' lyrics yet still expect Protestant bands to be allowed to march whereever they like.

The Billy boys is a football chant from Glasgow. It has no official standing, and I've never sung it in my life, now, back to the Soldiers song...

Cant you see why nationalists might tar the Order with a sectarian brush when some people have an attitude like that.

No. When one side is as bad as the other, I don't see that either side has the right to point the finger. Sort yourself out first, then you can take the high ground.

As I said, march if you need to but open your own eyes as to why some Irish Catholics may feel the need to oppose people with your attitude

Don't actually march myself, never have. I feel sorry for the OO though having to deal with people with your attitude. You can see no wrong on your side, but are adept at pointing out others faults.

[oboe]

That was 250 years ago, we have moved along a bit since then. Are you suggesting that the Orange Order is still organising dawn raids on Catholics homes, or that individaul catholics are being targeted at lodge meetings?



The Billy boys is a football chant from Glasgow. It has no official standing, and I've never sung it in my life, now, back to the Soldiers song...



No. When one side is as bad as the other, I don't see that either side has the right to point the finger. Sort yourself out first, then you can take the high ground. Relax. I have acknowledged the right to march and did not try to defend the s song. Neither side is blameless but you only seem to see one viewpoint. Residents also have the right to protest when an anti Irish catholic organisation wants to march through an anti Irish area. I mentioned the OO origins merely to point out the inaccuate statement you made about why it was created



Don't actually march myself, never have. I feel sorry for the OO though having to deal with people with your attitude. You can see no wrong on your side, but are adept at pointing out others faults.