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About LinkBacksPut your Galway top on and come up here to Portadown in July, the only way you'll see what really goes on is if you witness it yourself.Originally Posted by MichaelR
Its impossible for you to grasp what this is from your living room couch.
Put your Galway top on and come up here to Portadown in July, the only way you'll see what really goes on is if you witness it yourself.
Its impossible for you to grasp what this is from your living room couch.
Many many IRA volunteers also fought for Franco, while many many Working class Protestant trade unionists from the north also went to spain, they fought against Fascisim. In subsequent years the UK went to war against the Fascist/Nazi menace whilst republicans flirted with Hitler. Post war the ranks of the IRA were fillled with right wing extremists and members of Catholic cults, Sean South being a prime example.
The blood and honour movement has no connection with the Unionist marching culture. I've lived here all my life and have never seen a gig by a nazi band advertised. Stiff Little Fingers and the Undertones were more the thing up here.The fact is that Blood and Honour bands played regularly in loyalist areas....Anyway zionism is pretty close to Hitlerism.
Simple fact is that the unionist affinity with Israel means that we stand alone culturally. We neither need nor want any truck with right wing extremists.
I still don't get it. I thought St. Patrick's Day was not a sectarian holiday and applied to Irish people of all traditions including Unionism. What's *wrong* about Unionist bands marching as part of the day's parades? As long, of course, as they don't try to exclude anyone else and don't shout offensive slogans - but a flute is a rather nice way of ensuring a permanently engaged mouth, thus preventing shouting
I thought the problem with OO parades was that they are exclusive; they only reflect one tradition, and in fact specifically exclude another. But now you make the exact same statement from the other side. As if St. Patrick's Day is somehow Nationalist only.
As for paramilitary links: I have seen a parade in paramilitary style dress in Dublin. That was on Easter Saturday 2006, an SF march (I did not come specifically to see it - just chanced to be at the same place). So pot/kettle?
Yet more fascist propaganda Chucky!
What explains the hundreds of Canadians, Americans, Scots, English, Africans, Australians and Kiwis who come to either watch or take part in The Twelfth every year? Imagine how many more there would be if our culture wasn't victim to a sinister campaign of sectarian harassment from Republicans?
The Orange Culture exists as a kind of racial prophecy, to call to Loyalists telling them that one day maybe not today but one day once all these niceties like tolerance, cohabitation, equal rights etc fall - that the opportunity will present itself one day to rid their Province of Nationalists (or Catholics) with violence and they should be ready - this is what the so-called celebration of the Boyne (a battle that was fought between various European powers but which gave birth to Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland) is really about. It's hardly a surprise they use the Israeli flag, Israel is their ideal future model (the future expulsion or slaughter of their 'enemies' the ideal goal) and they see themselves as a tribe of Israel anyway.
When their ancestors came to the North they were intended as a means of replacing the Irish people so that feeds into their sense of prophecy too (unfinished business), even their sense of being constantly 'under siege' which they cultivate feeds into it, a people who feel they are constantly 'under siege' are also waiting for the right opportunity to lift that imagined 'siege' with violence and a people who feel they are 'under siege' already feel detached from the responsibility for that violence when it comes as by definition they will see their actions as defensive. If it was truly defensive they wouldn't insist on marching into nationalist areas.
It must be horrible to have to live amongst this and endure it every year, the noise alone...
Duh, look at the original post before you start 'copying and pasting' your diatribes of anti-protestant sectarian drivel. He asked about Loyalist bands - not the Orange Order. Again, in my knowledge, can I point out the two things are separate strands of Ulster culture - you might know that if you actually learnt something about the 1 million people you shared this country with.
Yes that would be them. And thank God they did or us Unionists in Northern Ireland might have gone the same way as the ones left on the 'wrong' side of the border - extinct!
What the hell has this got to do with Loyalist bands? More Republican, sectarian, anti-protestant propaganda!
I could tell you the story of the National Front member who got his nose broken after putting a 'Join the NF' sticker on a leading Loyalist paramilitary's chest during a 12th July parade in 2005. But sure you like thinking all Loyalists are Nazis so I'll not ruin your wee daydream.
Yes the UVF Regimental band are respected throughout the UK and even took part in a Somme commemoration in Belgium:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1iA-PLyXRA"]YouTube- UVF Regimental Band in Belgium[/ame]
The bands are not offensive in the slightest - unless you are really, really determined to be offended (as, unfortunately, many Republicans seem to be). An anti-protestant fascist like St333ve would view any of the Loyalist bands (whether 'blood and thunder' or 'melody') as a 'kick the pope' band because they all play songs like The Sash or Derry's Walls. Therefore people like him would not welcome any Loyalist band in Dublin - despite the tripe about 'respect' for our culture in a future United Ireland.
Pure, unadulterated anti-protestant fascism.
BC, wait. I can honestly tell you that the Republican campaign has very little weight outside of these islands and, perhaps, some parts of the US.
Of course there are some barstool Republicans everywhere (my native Russia included), but these don't really mean much.
In a notable example, our then President Putin, in a 2006 BBC interview, in response to a question from an Irishman about Chechnya, said (this is my translation as I could only find the Russian version online):
"We know of the problem of Northern Ireland. During 400 years of its history, Great Britain has never held any talks with anyone about a possible disintegration of the state. Nor shall we".
That's about as Unionist as one can get. So much for worldwide Republican influence.
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