Robinson Claims 'Unanimous' Support for Policing & Justice Deal

[edwin]

They have NOT sold out the rights of nationalist resident groups to acheive this

Time will tell on this point. The 'agreement' was essentially an agreement to agree on new arrangements. We'll know a lot more in about 3 weeks as to what the real situation is.

[turdsl]

The SDLP are all has beens now, a new leader will make no difference now, losing votes and seats at evey election will continue

[picador]

Time will tell on this point. The 'agreement' was essentially an agreement to agree on new arrangements. We'll know a lot more in about 3 weeks as to what the real situation is.

The Orange Order will not be marching down the Garvaghy Road as a result of this deal. Any suggestion that they will is scaremongering of the most base kind.

[edwin]

The Orange Order will not be marching down the Garvaghy Road as a result of this deal. Any suggestion that they will is scaremongering of the most base kind.

We don't know that as it was essentially an agreement to agree. I would suggest you hold your fire until the process plays itself out. I doubt the Garvaght Road march will go ahead either but there is no available evidence to support your claim.

[picador]

The text of the agreement refers to the rights of residents and the right to freedom from sectarian harrassment. The Ashdown proposals allowed for medaition and ajudication, the adjudicator to be appointed by the OFMDFM. Then there is the realpolitik that forcing a march down the Garvaghy Road would undermine the progress made on policing so far. There is NO question of an Orange march going down the Garvaghy Road and anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous.

[edwin]

The text of the agreement refers to the rights of residents and the right to freedom from sectarian harrassment. The Ashdown proposals allowed for medaition and ajudication, the adjudicator to be appointed by the OFMDFM. Then there is the realpolitik that forcing a march down the Garvaghy Road would undermine the progress made on policing so far. There is NO question of an Orange march going down the Garvaghy Road and anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous.

Anyone who makes any definitive statements about what will happen to parades in advance of the process agreed is being disingenuous.

[factual]

I think the point here is to bring a more dialogue based approach to parades issues with people on each side talking.

[edwin]

I think the point here is to bring a more dialogue based approach to parades issues with people on each side talking.

That would certainly be positive but the OO has generally refused to do that so I'm not really not sure where this is going.

[mutley]

Is that the best you can come up with?

Would you kindly explain to me what the deadlock was about?

I think I have interpreted your argument fairly. If not you will clarify.

I have also answered your question. Sinn Féin have achieved their bottom line, namely an agreement to transfer Policing & Justice powers. They have NOT sold out the rights of nationalist resident groups to acheive this; and they were at NO time pledged to retain the Parades Commission in its current format.

Now, other than the fact that the negotiations were prolonged and that they covered parading as well as P & J what is your gripe with them?

I have no need to clarify, my posts refute your interpretation, if you don't think so, you will go back and read what I actually wrote.

You haven't answered my question, because the Sinn Fein bottom line of Policing and Justice being devolved was available to them before the recent deadlock, a deadlock you agree was invoked by the DUP wanting the abolution of the Parades commission among other things.

So what have they achieved that was not achievable before the recent deadlock?
Wasn't this what all the drama was about? that there would be no preconditions on parading as part of a deal being reacing for the devolution of P&J.

We’re marching towards yet another crisis - Politics, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

But Adams’ words will be read for one thing more than any other — his position on parades.

“There can be no preconditions, not on the Parades Commission, not on marches, not on equality and partnership government,” he wrote.

I have no issue with the length of the discussions, I was just wondering why Sinn Fein where adamant that there would be no preconditions on the the Parades commison as part of the negotiations for the Devolution of Policing and Justice, then came out of marathon negotiations with preconditions on the Parades commission.

At no time did I state that Sinn Fein pledged to maintain the parades commission in its current format, what I am asking is why they shouted from the rooftops that there would be no preconditions on Parading as part of a deal, and the threats that MMG would collapse the assembley if the DUP continued to insist on these preconditions?

My answer is that, it seems Sinn Fein do not have an appitite for an election at the present time

[factual]

That would certainly be positive but the OO has generally refused to do that so I'm not really not sure where this is going.

Yeah but I think they may change that approach.