Robinson Claims 'Unanimous' Support for Policing & Justice Deal

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Try and stay on topic Dan.

At least i will give you credit for coming out from under the covers,The rest of the mob have lost their voice,Thankfully the electorate do not accept smear, A good week for Sinn Fein and Gerry and Martin, Very strange all those threads are gone under cover too,

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Oh, dear, this is unbelievable, no skeletons in the Gerrys cupboard, today, Its going to be like the budget,back to the old reliables,anyway it must be a month since somebody raised the question if Adams was in the IRA or not,

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I doubt it will actually but the real point is that we don't know because all the agreement does is set out a process to change the way parades are regulated.

If you are reading definite things into something which contains no definite proposals then you are living in la-la-land. Read the document.

Two key phrases that were in the agreement:
- Respect for the residents' rights
- The right to freedom from sectarian harrassment

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But you are ignoring the reality, that Sinn Fein always could have secured the Devolution of Policing and Justice in return for the abolution of the Parades commission. So in effect they achieved nothing from the recent negotiations that was not already available to them.
They were adamant that they would not be conceding this, and The DUP were Adamant that the abolution of the Parades commission would be part of any deal done on Policing and Justice.
The fact is that they gave concessions on parades, in return for achieving the Devolution of Policing and Justice, whether they are substantive of not remains to be seen.

What also remains to be seen is, whether Sinn Fein will actually achieve the actual devolution of Policing and Justice, due to the caveat inserted by the DUP, as the working group on parades has 3 weeks to come up with proposals, that are to be made law this year regarding contentious parades and if the proposals fail to satisfy the DUP then their assembley members could vote against the Justice Ministry on March 9th

Fisrt you said Sinn Féin were adamant, then you denied saying they were adamant and now we're back to adamant again.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPgHbt0ODr4"]YouTube- Adam & The Ants - Stand and Deliver[/ame]

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Fisrt you said Sinn Féin were adamant, then you denied saying they were adamant and now we're back to adamant again.

YouTube- Adam & The Ants - Stand and Deliver

Do you need to change your reading glasses perhaps?

I said that Sinn Fein were adamant that preconditions on parading or the abolution of the parades commission would not be part of a deal done on Policing and Justice. I have been consistant in this.

You are resorting to tricks of old, twisting what was actually said, how tiring for you it must be to consistantly have to toe the party line, especially when that means to having to resort to distorting what people have actually said.

The Bottom line is, is that Sinn Fein were adamant that there would be no preconditions on parading or the abolution of the parades commission as part of any Deal done on the Devolution of Policing and Justice.
They have done a deal that ensures that the abolution of the Parades commision as part of a Deal to get Policing and Justice Devolved.
Those are the facts, its such a shame that you have to resort to underhand measures, rather than ask the very obvious question, Why did they give in to the DUP demands?

Do you suffer from Mindless Devotion or do you earn a living from toeing the Party Line? I think I know the the answer to that

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Do you need to change your reading glasses perhaps?

I said that Sinn Fein were adamant that preconditions on parading or the abolution of the parades commission would not be part of a deal done on Policing and Justice. I have been consistant in this.

You are resorting to tricks of old, twisting what was actually said, how tiring for you it must be to consistantly have to toe the party line, especially when that means to having to resort to distorting what people have actually said.

The Bottom line is, is that Sinn Fein were adamant that there would be no preconditions on parading or the abolution of the parades commission as part of any Deal done on the Devolution of Policing and Justice.
They have done a deal that ensures that the abolution of the Parades commision as part of a Deal to get Policing and Justice Devolved.
Those are the facts, its such a shame that you have to resort to underhand measures, rather than ask the very obvious question, Why did they give in to the DUP demands?

Do you suffer from Mindless Devotion or do you earn a living from toeing the Party Line? I think I know the the answer to that

LOL

Sinn Féin said that the Devolution of Policing & Justice should not be linked to the parading issue. But ultimately reform / replacement of the Parades Commission was in the gift of the British government, not Sinn Féin - another reason why negotiating was a far smarter strategy than walking away.

The DUP buckled in the wake of Irisgate and agreed that something which its Deputy Leader had said would not happen 'in a political lifetime' would happen on April 12. Those who are intent on spinning this into a defeat / betrayal by Sinn Féin are even less convincing than Jim Allister. I am glad to be able to counter sectarian scaremongering over parades. No one has been sold down the river!

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Mutley, while I agree with you, and it's clear fact, that SF gave in to DUP demands regardin parades, while I agree with you in that sense cos it's obvious, do we know what the DUP's initial demands were regardin this issue that should be irrelevant? Do we know if their initial demands included a replacement or were they just a straight abolition?

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Mutley, while I agree with you, and it's clear fact, that SF gave in to DUP demands regardin parades, while I agree with you in that sense cos it's obvious, do we know what the DUP's initial demands were regardin this issue that should be irrelevant? Do we know if their initial demands included a replacement or were they just a straight abolition?

One born every day!

You have clearly not heard of the Ashdown proposals.

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Mutley, while I agree with you, and it's clear fact, that SF gave in to DUP demands regardin parades, while I agree with you in that sense cos it's obvious, do we know what the DUP's initial demands were regardin this issue that should be irrelevant? Do we know if their initial demands included a replacement or were they just a straight abolition?

They wanted the abolution of the Parades commision, and were in favour of the Ashdown Proposals, that is effectively what they are getting

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They wanted the abolution of the Parades commision, and were in favour of the Ashdown Proposals, that is effectively what they are getting

That would be the Ashdown Proposals, which Spike Murray helped to draw up and agree.

But sure, Sinn Féin have sold us down the Garvaghy River.