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    Policing and Justice: what's the urgency?

    As I understand it this portfolio is being given to an Alliance minister, What practical difference does it make if it is devolved today or next year?

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    PSF desperately need some sort of dry bone to show their camp followers. Adams particularly needs it to divert attention from his part in covering up child rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristodemus View Post
    As I understand it this portfolio is being given to an Alliance minister, What practical difference does it make if it is devolved today or next year?
    It makes no difference to the man on the Street.
    Sinn Fein promised Republicans a deadline for devolution of P&J if they supported the PSNI.
    This whole charade is to keep the Sinn Fein grass Roots Republicans on side
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    Andrew McCann gets it right:

    TheEnd? - A Tangled Web - A TANGLED WEB

    would a country on the cusp of giving up a piece of its territory build the second largest and one of the most sophiticated MI5 bases anywhere in the United Kingdom on that same territory? Would a sovereign government that could see the Garda patrolling the streets of Belfast, Bangor and Londonderry in the foreseeable future put millions into the kitty for a new PSNI training college? Would a sovereign government envisaging the termination of Northern Ireland as a political entity entertain the idea of harmonising the Northern Irish car number plate configuration to bring it into line with the rest of the UK? These are small, relatively insignificant things but, in the round, they all point to one inescapable conclusion: namely that nobody envisages Northern Ireland being anything but a part of the UK for as far into the future as it is possible to gauge.

    Some contributors on here make the claim (like Allister) that Sinn Fein sees everything as an interim step. Indeed they do. But they aren't the only players in this game. And to believe that if (an unlikely 'if') they achieved their goal there would be sufficient satisfaction in the wider community to make such a constitutional attainment 'an end' in itself, is ample proof that they are only reinforcing the same delusions that led a few hundred people to toot their horns in BT11 almost sixteen years ago.

    Like a great proportion of Unionists, I never want to see an ex-Provo as Justice Minister. But all the minister would effectively do is distribute a London budget to the police and the courts. The PSNI retain operational independence; national security is handled by MI5 (and if any Shinner minister thinks they are going to get a tour around the site at Palace Barracks and access Intelligence information, they are bonkers as well as delusional); and the mutual veto of Unionists and the restrictions of national law would certainly prevent the genesis of any all-Ireland police force. Adams, by making his 'staging post' quip, was in the practice of political psychological propaganda. Let's face it, it's one of the few things (aside from excusing murderers and terrorists) he's good at!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutley View Post
    It makes no difference to the man on the Street.
    Sinn Fein promised Republicans a deadline for devolution of P&J if they supported the PSNI.
    This whole charade is to keep the Sinn Fein grass Roots Republicans on side
    I doubt if many Republicans care. The RUC is a British occupation force, under the direction of the British state. Thats the bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    PSF desperately need some sort of dry bone to show their camp followers. Adams particularly needs it to divert attention from his part in covering up child rape.
    Exactly. SF made up a May 2008 deadline to sell the Policing Boards to their supporters, and are now having a shít fít because the DUP have not stuck to a deadline that passed almost two years ago but to which the DUP had never agreed in the first place...
    Unenthusiastic about any of the buggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by readytogo View Post
    (and if any Shinner minister thinks they are going to get a tour around the site at Palace Barracks and access Intelligence information, they are bonkers as well as delusional)
    I'm sure that they dont, but they will pretend to their less intelligent camp followers that they are. They have already being trying to compare it with the ANC taking over the police after the end of apartheid. Some of their camp followers are so thick as to actually believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    I doubt if many Republicans care. The RUC is a British occupation force, under the direction of the British state. Thats the bottom line.
    I was referring to Provo Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    I'm sure that they dont, but they will pretend to their less intelligent camp followers that they are. They have already being trying to compare it with the ANC taking over the police after the end of apartheid. Some of their camp followers are so thick as to actually believe that.
    Tha ANC only joined the police AFTER they achieved their objectives and their demands were met.
    PSF went in, before their demands (An All Ireland Republic etc) were even up for discussion.
    Thats the huge, crucial difference. And thats why the South African Peace process worked.
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