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    Was McAnespie one of the OTRs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBinge
    Was McAnespie one of the OTRs?
    No he has been living freely in the town without any word of arrests up until he was lifted.
    "still , got to give it to the people of monaghan, they dont take any **** "--constitutionus


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    Quote Originally Posted by Risteard
    Quote Originally Posted by factual
    [The Provos] do deliver.
    Well, they certainly delivered Mr. McGeough...
    RIRA not in my name-Traitors to Ireland MMcGuinness; People are entitled to cultural & social equality MLMcDonald; We have a length to go understanding unionism GAdams

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    Quote Originally Posted by factual
    Quote Originally Posted by beardyboy
    Not trying to diminish the excellent result for SF I would have the following observations to make.
    Glad you agree that the result was indeed excellent. Sinn Féin have proven once again their propularity with the electorate.

    Quote Originally Posted by beardyboy
    1. The clans gathered around the strongest champion
    Sinn Féin has grown over a long period through a clear progressive change agenda focussed on equality and helping the deprived and those most in need and having put a lot of workers on the ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by beardyboy
    2. The other nationalist candidates lacked credibilty in different areas, my man McGeough needs to have a party machine, RSF needs to be able to get its message to the people, I have not heard anyone discuss the policies, the other guys were looked upon as pure spoilers.
    Probably true. They just turned up and expected people to vote for them having done no work and put no workers on the ground over the years. Down the years, Sinn Féin have put a lot of workers on the ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by beardyboy
    3. Success breeds success, SDLP have to do something quick, they are looking like losers now, who backs losers?
    Well hopefully people don't think in that way because its the analysis and hard work not just whether or not someone is a loser.

    Quote Originally Posted by beardyboy
    Potential problems for SF - the main one is delivery. What are they going to get the nationalists which advance their cause? If they fail to deliver they may well start to slip.
    Sinn Féin do deliver. Sinn Fein are focussed on improvements that will bring equality, better public services, and help the deprived and those most in need regardless of religion or background.

    Quote Originally Posted by beardyboy
    The second is policing. What are they going to do about the apparently political arrest of McGeough? Can they show what influence they have on the police? Can they even keep a repsectable distance from this? And what happens later this summer if there are Orange inspired riots? We live in interesting times
    Sinn Féin are, as Gerry Adams said, a party of law and order. Sinn Féin support proper policing but that does not mean that Sinn Féin cannot hold the police service to account.
    I thought that was the point - read your own propaganda

    The responsibility of the police is to defend and uphold the rights of citizens.

    In order to fulfil this role they require critical support. Sinn Féin reiterates our support for An Garda Síochana and commits fully to:

    * Support for the PSNI and the criminal justice system.
    * Hold the police and criminal justice systems north and south fully to account, both democratically and legally, on the basis of fairness and impartiality and objectivity.
    Taken from here
    http://www.sinnfeinonline.com/policies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ireland2007
    The results are a damning indictment of RSF and their leadership. They should learn from those in Foyle who ran an excellent campaign for Peggy O'Hara, allowing her to poll respectably.
    Absolutely.
    Were I to be a Republican youth disaffected with the route SF were taking, Id run a mile from RSF.
    The conversation would be:
    Me: Im sick of SF, sold us down the river, PSNI, Stormont, Armani suits, decommissioning, etc etc.
    RSF rep: Excellent, you should consider looking to us. We disgaree with SF on all of that.
    Me: Good stuff. What else do you stand for?
    RSF rep: We believe that our CIRA army executive is the legit govt of Ireland, as it holds a mandate directly from the 1922/1938 executive.
    Me: Oh yeah? Interesting. What about the other Republican groups, should I transfer to those, try and build up some opposition to PSF. Some of those 32CSM guys and IRP's look like men of good calibre.
    RSF rep: Oh, no we dont have anything to do with those people, on principle. They are not Republicans.
    Me: What? How come?
    RSF rep: Only those who split from SF in 86 and joined RSF can be considered Republicans.
    Me: So some decision made when I was 3 years old, and some authority that was handed to you in 1938 is more important than co-operating with good men who are also opposed to the way SF are bringing us down?
    RSF rep: Oh yes......

    As if some split in 86 has anything to do with anything anymore.

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    The Northern elections proved that those who had the people on the ground and worked hard at the vote since the early 1980s gained votes.

    Chasing political opponents around bulletin boards is one thing, persuading people on the ground to support your beliefs is another thing entirely.

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