Will there be a deal done on Policing and Justice soon?

[mutley]

So after all the scandal with Iris Robinson, and talk of the collapse of Stormont,things seemed to have settled down considerably and its looks as if a deal might be done on P&J,
But what is the price if any? Will Sinn Fein be ae able to soley use the leverage that the DUP don't want an election anytime soon, or will the DUP hold out and get the parades issue sorted out to their liking?

The talks seem still to be centered round both Parades and Policing and Justice still. My guess is that the DUP will get their way re the Parades issue.

This begs the question, what would the Nationalist People prefer to see, the devolution on P&J and the DUP getting their way on parading? Or would they rather that contensious parades where done away with, at the cost of not getting Policing and justice resolved for the time being?

If concessions are made to the DUP re parading, how will this be packaged up and sold to the Nationalist electorate? And why is the Devolution of Policing and Justice so important now? Is this for the benefit of the Nationalist community as a whole, or simply to keep the Republican Sinn Fein supporters on board?

Personally I would rather have contensious parades abandoned altogether, and if Sinn Fein have the DUP over a barrel, I can't help thinking that their advantage would be better put to use to deal with parading once and for all, imstead of making concessions on it.

IF Sinn Fein can get P&J devolved, without any concesssion on the parades issue, I take my hat of to them

[Pat Mc Larnon]

I think that it will be devolved and I believe that the DUP will be unable to resist the pressure that is being heaped on them.

In the context of parades I would like to see the final draft of the Ashdown Review before making a decision, it is best to know what is being offered here. Though even in the interim report this stressed the need for dialogue between those seeking to march and the host communities. In the event of no agreement being reached the legally binding determination would be from a three person panel drawn from a list agreed by the OFMDFM. Again the make up of this panel would need to be scrutinised.

The Parades Commission has been of benefit to the people of Garvaghy and Ormeau but has been less than useless in its determinations regarding my own area of Ardoyne.

[mutley]

BBC Newsline just reported that, the talk on parades was positive, also speculation that we are closer to a deal on Policing and Justice.

It seems as if Sinn Fein are going to make concessions to the DUP on the parades issue.

This does not make any sense to me.
Sinn Fein where standing firm and threatening to collapse the Assembley if P&J was not devolved, then they get some leverage with the Iris Robinson scandal and don't make use of it to get devolution without having to make concessions on parades?!?

[Katayusha Mk2]

BBC Newsline just reported that, the talk on parades was positive, also speculation that we are closer to a deal on Policing and Justice.

It seems as if Sinn Fein are going to make concessions to the DUP on the parades issue.

This does not make any sense to me.
Sinn Fein where standing firm and threatening to collapse the Assembley if P&J was not devolved, then they get some leverage with the Iris Robinson scandal and don't make use of it to get devolution without having to make concessions on parades?!?

The shinners saw what foot-dragging got the Robinsons; Irisgate. Gerry has probably been told by his handle...ahem political advisors in Whitehall that he had better get a move on before Spotlight starts taking an interest in shinner sexual sleaze.

The shinners will probably still spin this as a great victory when the irony is that it is Britain's victory for her Ulsterisation and Normalisation policies; which the shinners fully subscribe to. The people of Garvaghy road and other contentious parade routes will be treated with the all too apparent shinner contempt which is reserved for times of self-preservation.

[blinding]

I would say so but the deal will have to be copperfastened with bells on because the DUP need to buy some time and if they are given any wriggle room they may renege on any deal at some point in the future.

Its big decision time for the DUP. Are they able to move forward or not ?

[mutley]

I would say so but the deal will have to be copperfastened with bells on because the DUP need to buy some time and if they are given any wriggle room they may renege on any deal at some point in the future.

Its big decision time for the DUP. Are they able to move forward or not ?

Is policing and justice to be devolved, no matter what the cost?

[blinding]

Is policing and justice to be devolved, no matter what the cost?

Negotiations were already taking place before recent events. Sinn Féin are in a stronger position than the DUP at the moment so they certainly should not be losing any ground in the present round of negotiations.

NO. Policing and Justice should not be devolved if Nationalists/Republicans have to concede too much on Orange Marches for example.

Nearly all interested parties (Irish, British, American goverments) and Nationalists/Republicans/Alliance want P/J devolved.

There are many Unionists (ordinary voters) that are happy for P/J to be devolved.

It has got to be possible to get this part of devolution completed with out comprising other issues.

[mutley]

Negotiations were already taking place before recent events. Sinn Féin are in a stronger position than the DUP at the moment so they certainly should not be losing any ground in the present round of negotiations.

NO. Policing and Justice should not be devolved if Nationalists/Republicans have to concede too much on Orange Marches for example.

Nearly all interested parties (Irish, British, American goverments) and Nationalists/Republicans/Alliance want P/J devolved.

There are many Unionists (ordinary voters) that are happy for P/J to be devolved.

It has got to be possible to get this part of devolution completed with out comprising other issues.

Well that is the point that I am making, that it appears as if Sinn Fein are going to make concessions on parading to get it devolved, yet they weren't prepared to make concessions before the Iris Robinson scandal.
If anything in light of Irisgate Sinn Fein should have been able to manouvere to get it devolved without such concessions don't you think?

[Katayusha Mk2]

If anything in light of Irisgate Sinn Fein should have been able to manouvere to get it devolved without such concessions don't you think?

The shinners have obviously been too wary of what was about to break to make much capital out of Irisgate. Iris might well be a corrupt harpy but she was never accused of being or harbouring a rapist nor a peadophile

[Katayusha Mk2]

Nearly all interested parties (Irish, British, American goverments) and Nationalists/Republicans/Alliance want P/J devolved.

I know of no Republican who advances the normalisation of British rule.