Sinn Féin Issue Christmas Ultimatum for Devolution of Policing & Justice Powers

[the_beat]

Well JD if it's pedantry you want you ve come to the right thread

ultimatum
1. A final statement of terms made by one party to another.
2. A statement, especially in diplomatic negotiations, that expresses or implies the threat of serious penalties if the terms are not accepted.

Half truths as always picador. You provided the american dictionary definition.

Lets have a look at the english dictionary in your link.

1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a final communication by a party, esp a government, setting forth conditions on which it insists, as during negotiations on some topic
2. any final or peremptory demand, offer, or proposal

Or even better and for a laugh in relation to the PSF position

a final demand made by one person, nation etc to another, with a threat to stop peaceful discussion and declare war etc if the demand is ignored

ultimatum

[Katayusha Mk2]

british pm gordon brown has ruled out imposing a deadline on the discussions relating too the devolution of policing............where does this leave sf and their deadline

The PSF position can be summed up by Brendan Hughes' definition of the GFA.

GFA = Got F*ck All.

And that's about it, they have nothing left to sell out.

[picador]

Good to see you sticking up for British English, the_beat.

But what bollocks. A Latin word means something different in America than in England? Ha!

Tally ho, old bean!

I'm sticking with my ultimatum and if you don't like it you can kiss my ass*

[the_beat]

Good to see you sticking up for British English, beat. Tally ho!

Probably more relevant than the americans eh ?

[picador]

Friday 4th December

"I have to say that if we don't get a date for transfer of power of policing and justice before Christmas to be effective in the new year, I do think we are in an unsustainable position.

"We would then be moving from what is a very serious situation into a full-blown crisis."

BBC News - Martin McGuinness warns of 'full-blown Stormont crisis'

[Ó Ghabhainn]

DUP reject McGuinness' deadline

Northern Ireland's First Minister Peter Robinson rejects Martin McGuinness' Christmas deadline to resolve their differences.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8396227.stm
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I don't think there's any need to read the story. Same bs over and over again.

[factual]

DUP reject McGuinness' deadline

Northern Ireland's First Minister Peter Robinson rejects Martin McGuinness' Christmas deadline to resolve their differences.

BBC News - DUP leader rejects McGuinness' Christmas deadline
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I don't think there's any need to read the story. Same bs over and over again.

I think it is fair to say that we shoudl all redouble our efforts to get policing devolved in the six counties - for the good of all who live there whether protestant or catholic.

[cricket]

I've long been of the opinion that policing administration in the North ,if left to SF and DUP or someone else acceptable to both of them , wouldn't stand a chance. Every proposal , let alone decision, would be viewed through the prism of sectarian pettiness which is the very oxygen of both of those parties.

[Ó Ghabhainn]

Agreed, factual. Atm we're (community) gettin nowhere.

I've long been of the opinion that policing administration in the North ,if left to SF and DUP or someone else acceptable to both of them , wouldn't stand a chance. Every proposal , let alone decision, would be viewed through the prism of sectarian pettiness which is the very oxygen of both of those parties.

So what would you do? If these are the two parties being elected time after time, then there's nothin can be done, except that the parties change from within, and promote that change. It's clear that Sinn Féin have changed somewhat, even if they're not accepted by everyone. The DUP clearly haven't, as they're still limited to "their side" of the community.

I get what you're sayin. The entire community needs to brought together first and foremost, and therefore a UI should become more acceptable (through time).

[cricket]

Agreed, factual. Atm we're (community) gettin nowhere.



So what would you do? If these are the two parties being elected time after time, then there's nothin can be done, except that the parties change from within, and promote that change. It's clear that Sinn Féin have changed somewhat, even if they're not accepted by everyone. The DUP clearly haven't, as they're still limited to "their side" of the community.

I get what you're sayin. The entire community needs to brought together first and foremost, and therefore a UI should become more acceptable (through time).

I would have policing and justice matters handled through Whitehall , with a consultative body between Dublin and London. In the meantime, let SF and DUP show that they've grown up by carrying out their duties responsibly in the other departments. All you have to do is look at Education at Stormont to see there's a long way to go.