The facts of the hunger strikes have already been established

[picador]

2. The Right not to do prison work;

IV. ensure that a substantial part of the work will consist of domestic tasks inside and outside the wings necessary for servicing of the prison (such as cleaning and in the laundries and kitchens), constructive work, e.g. on building projects or making toys for charitable bodies, and study for Open University or other courses. The prison authorities will be responsible for supervision. The aim of the authorities will be that prisoners should do the kinds of work for which they are suited, but this will not always be possible and the authorities will retain responsibility for decisions about allocation.

The only qualification required to tell that the offer does not match the demand is the ability to read. Some cognitive skills might also be useful but clearly you are somewhat lacking in that regard. Dishonest indeed!

[Katayusha Mk2]

2. The Right not to do prison work;

IV. ensure that a substantial part of the work will consist of domestic tasks inside and outside the wings necessary for servicing of the prison (such as cleaning and in the laundries and kitchens), constructive work, e.g. on building projects or making toys for charitable bodies, and study for Open University or other courses. The prison authorities will be responsible for supervision. The aim of the authorities will be that prisoners should do the kinds of work for which they are suited, but this will not always be possible and the authorities will retain responsibility for decisions about allocation.

The only qualification required to tell that the offer does not match the demand is the ability to read. Some cognitive skills might also be useful but clearly you are somewhat lacking in that regard. Dishonest indeed!

Where did you go to school genius?

5-1 = 4

Four of the five demands were met.

[picador]

so where is the part of the offer that covers this one then

4. The Right to organize their own educational and recreational facilities;

[Katayusha Mk2]

Funny you should mention education given that education was one of the examples of 'work' in the British offer. Recreation would have been covered by the intra-wing association that was to be granted, as proved to be the case.

At the end of the day, there was enough in the British offer for Brendan McFarland and Richard O Rawe to state 'there's enough there' and accept the offer. No amount of nit picking, goal post shifting and diversion on your part can change this.

Ironic too that last night you were appealing for this issue to be dropped out of respect for the dead but here you are today with a new angle for your increasingly desperate campaign. Your perspicacity and lack of integrity are phenomenal; I'm actually embarrassed for you.

[the dark angel]

KatayuselessMI5yout is after sending me a pm with a picture of a Down syndrome child in it, asking was this me! Just about sums this little tout up! If he thinks it's cool or funny using pictures of Down syndrome children and calling them retards well he's even a worse idiot tout then I 1st thought!

[picador]

Funny you should mention education given that education was one of the examples of 'work' in the British offer. Recreation would have been covered by the intra-wing association that was to be granted, as proved to be the case.

At the end of the day, there was enough in the British offer for Brendan McFarland and Richard O Rawe to state 'there's enough there' and accept the offer. No amount of nit picking, goal post shifting and diversion on your part can change this.

Ironic too that last night you were appealing for this issue to be dropped out of respect for the dead but here you are today with a new angle for your increasingly desperate campaign. Your perspicacity and lack of integrity are phenomenal; I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Irrespective of your standard bile, the terms of this offer are full of ambiguity. Prison work, as directed by the authorites, was most certainly part of the equation - the kind of things that criminals get to do. No amount of goal post shifting, evasion or lack of integrity on your part can get away from that.

I'm actually embarrased for you.

[picador]

KatayuselessMI5yout is after sending me a pm with a picture of a Down syndrome child in it, asking was this me! Just about sums this little tout up! If he thinks it's cool or funny using pictures of Down syndrome children and calling them retards well he's even a worse idiot tout then I 1st thought!

Compassion is his strength. Or so he would have us believe.

[Catalpa]

[QUOTE=Katayusha Mk2;2290221]Dishonest as usual Picador. Richard O Rawe and other Blanketmen have stated that the offer constituted four of the five demands, I think they're somewhat more qualified than you to make that judgement call.

The Five Demands

1. The Right not to wear a prison uniform;
2. The Right not to do prison work;
3. The Right of free association with other prisoners;
4. The Right to organize their own educational and recreational facilities;
5. The Right to one visit, one letter and one parcel per week.


The July offer from Thatcher

I. extend to all male prisoners in Northern Ireland the clothing regime at present available to female prisoners in Armagh Prison (i.e. subject to the prison governor’s approval);

Correct me if I am wrong but did the British Government 'go Public' with this offer at the time?

IIRC they didn't.

If so then why not?

[Katayusha Mk2]

Correct me if I am wrong but did the British Government 'go Public' with this offer at the time?

IIRC they didn't.

If so then why not?

Thatcher was unlikely to have admitted to 'talking to terrorists' as she would have put it, without good reason. Adams had the draft copy of the speech that she was to deliver announcing resolution of the protest; all they were waiting for was his ratification of the deal. This never happened. The British did actually 'go public' to an extent on various aspects of the offer through the medium of the ICJP negotiations, particularly in regard to clothing.

It is likely however that international leaders and some churchmen would have been informed of the offer confidentially, such knowledge may well have been part of Denis Faul's motivation. After all, Garret Fitzgerald has since admitted that he knew about the offer so it's logical to conclude that the Catholic church and Americans knew.

[Catalpa]

Thatcher was unlikely to have admitted to 'talking to terrorists' as she would have put it, without good reason. Adams had the draft copy of the speech that she was to deliver announcing resolution of the protest; all they were waiting for was his ratification of the deal. This never happened. The British did actually 'go public' to an extent on various aspects of the offer through the medium of the ICJP negotiations, particularly in regard to clothing.

It is likely however that international leaders and some churchmen would have been informed of the offer confidentially, such knowledge may well have been part of Denis Faul's motivation. After all, Garret Fitzgerald has since admitted that he knew about the offer so it's logical to conclude that the Catholic church and Americans knew.

So the bone of contention here then is that

- Adams & Co blocked the prospective deal being put to the Hunger Strikers?

Now even if that is so what the hell is the reason that would have stopped the British putting the deal directly to men on the Strike themselves?

If they were genuine in their intentions none as far as I can see.